I hope they get something good for $2500 /ea.

 

HOPEFULLY its something along the lines of a Colt 6920, Aimpoint PRO or Eotech XPS, Surefire handguards, X300u, or Scout light, 2-point adjustable sling, 7 mags, cleaning kit, and armorer support tools. That will get you close to $2500, but at a full-retail markup (and with associated government purchase related kickbacks.)

 

It is absolutely ridiculous that this debate continues going into 2014.

 

Absolutely agree with this. After all the stuff that has gone on around the world and right here in America in the last 20 years, not to mention the fact that all the bad guys from 9-11 began right there in Boston, this should be a no brainer. Just show 'em a tape from the North Hollywood Bank of America shooting and remind them that regular bad guys and not just the terrorists, have high powered weapons as well.

The biggest thing besides the procuring of the actual rifle itself is the training, especially because of the urban environment that is Boston. It's different in a big city than it is in the open spaces of the suburbs. Guys who carry a rifle in the big city need to be locked on and proficient with that type of weapon as it carries a lot of responsibility. You can't just carry it because it looks "cool."

Good luck, I hope the powers that be finally wake up and come into the 21st century.

 

Hard reality is, its cheaper to bury cops than it is to train them and provide them with the proper equipment.

 

2500? Jezus... I hope they have frikin sharks with laser beams. Did anyone tell them that the bottom fell out of market?

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2500? Jezus... I hope they have frikin sharks with laser beams. Did anyone tell them that the bottom fell out of market?

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ACR's.

 

SCARs?

 

I roll with a Bushmaster, no optics, no light, but I'll take it over nothing!

 

Bushhampster? I agree about taking it over nothing though!

 

Optics... meh.

Lights? Not optional on a rifle you depend on.

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Optics... meh.

Lights? Not optional on a rifle you depend on.

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Don't forget the sling, either. A sling on a long gun is to a holster for a handgun. You know what they say about holsters...they are a great place to keep a gun rather than holding it in your hand and trying to figure out what you are trying to avoid pointing the muzzle at.

 

A long gun is substandard and outdated without a sling, red dot, and light. The administrators who write those policies are wrong, and way behind the times. There are no problems with modern, proven equipment. They require a minimum of training, and training should be an integral part of any rifle program. A rifle without the proper support equipment is more problem than solution. It will lead to it being under utilized, or utilized inappropriately. They train pistol techniques with flashlights, because shit often happens in the dark. What happens when both hands are now occupied with a rifle or shotgun? Did they really not consider that? Administrators with that misguided ousted view of rifles need to be educated.

 

A long gun is substandard and outdated without a sling, red dot, and light. The administrators who write those policies are wrong, and way behind the times. There are no problems with modern, proven equipment. They require a minimum of training, and training should be an integral part of any rifle program. A rifle without the proper support equipment is more problem than solution. It will lead to it being under utilized, or utilized inappropriately. They train pistol techniques with flashlights, because shit often happens in the dark. What happens when both hands are now occupied with a rifle or shotgun? Did they really not consider that? Administrators with that misguided ousted view of rifles need to be educated.

I agree with this.

And I will also say, I carried my AR bare bones with just the iron sights for a couple years, before I finally had enough money to buy a decent red dot. I shot just fine with the iron sights, and I think too many officers can rely too much on the technology and forget how to shoot without it.

 

I love how they throw the cost in the article,wooooah 2500 a piece?? typical pos libtards....Duval spent more on his fuckin drapes and his new "renovation" to his orifice is at 9million but not a single article about THAT.

 

When new guys ask why they need to use a sling, I give them a 20 round rifle course, loaded pistol, and 10 rifle rounds in a magazine. Self Correcting.

 

Northeast states, specifically Massachusetts, have a proven history of ambivalence and ignorance to country - wide law enforcement / policing progressive trends and practices. Training and supplying street level officers with tools that can only assist in situational incidents are tabled and shelved. Examples; C.A.D., bean bag shot guns, Tasers, patrol rifles, exterior duty carriers, efficient radio systems, mobile A.F.I.S. devices, facial recognition mobile devices, relevant F.I.O. system, field drug test kits etc...
Just recall the Laurel Street battle for a pro patrol rifle argument.


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Institutional HUA Syndrome

 

First off, if they're gonna buy 33 units and pay 2500 per....Robbery
Secondly you need a sling and decent sights, NOT necessarily expensive red optics either.

 

33 Units? Wow...I hope that's just a beginning.

$2500 may also include the price of a mounting system, case, magazines, slings, optics and even ammunition for the proscribed training course. Of course, my department got a much better price from S&W....

Boston acts like no one has ever issued patrol rifles, take a look at the departments within a 15-mile radius, I bet 75% of them issue some kind of long guns. Also Boston should look to the MSP who already cruise their city limits with dozens of scary patrol rifles!

 

33 Units? Wow...I hope that's just a beginning.

$2500 may also include the price of a mounting system, case, magazines, slings, optics and even ammunition for the proscribed training course. Of course, my department got a much better price from S&W....

Boston acts like no one has ever issued patrol rifles, take a look at the departments within a 15-mile radius, I bet 75% of them issue some kind of long guns. Also Boston should look to the MSP who already cruise their city limits with dozens of scary patrol rifles!

Don't tell Mumbles there's staties cruising the city with that stuff.

There's a BAN on assault rifles

 

$2500/each? Remember a few years ago they were offered 200 M-16's free of charge but Mumbles turned em down???

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...etts/articles/2009/05/30/menino_rejects_plan_to_arm_patrol_officers_with_m_16s/

 

Some departments have made those old DRMO M-16A1's work just fine!

 

$2500 .... does it include round trip ticket to attend Kalashnikov funeral?
May be price is the reason he didn't approve ... Negotiating process

 

M16? I lay down a field of fire from an M60, just set up the bipod on the hood.

 

Look like Marty has made up his mind:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_politics/2013/12/walsh_shoots_down_rifle_plan

Nice vote of confidence too from a former Officer:

Thomas Nolan, a former BPD lieutenant and now a criminal justice professor at the State University of New York, said Walsh is making the right decision because arming beat cops with high-powered rifles is counterproductive to establishing trust with residents. He noted firing a round from an AR-15 can launch a bullet two miles.
"If the cops have these machine guns, they're going to use them," Nolan said. "Someone is going to get hurt, someone is going to get killed, an innocent bystander is going to get caught in the crossfire and there is going to be a tragic result," he said.

 

Way to come off like a total baggadouche, Nolan. It's great that he spent the last ten years of his 22 year career at BPD in a command position and has a Doctorate degree. His comment proves that he doesn't know SHIT about what police officers in this country need to be able to defend themselves and protect the citizens in the communities they serve if he is referring to an AR-15 as a "machine gun".

A few years ago I was out walking my dog at my apartment complex when police officers started arriving en masse to set up a perimeter and conduct a search for an attempted armed robbery with shots fired. They started deploying patrol rifles immediately. I know far more about police work and tactics than your average citizen, but my immediate thought was that I was glad these officers were protecting themselves and their community by having the proper tools to do their jobs.

The pussification of the birthplace of liberty in a mere 240 years blows my mind. If Nolan's logic ruled, cops probably wouldn't even have guns at all. He might as well go and teach CJ at Oxford or some other prestigious university in a land where cops don't have guns.

 

Doesn't matter what area you work, if you have a Walmart, Kmart, or grocery store; take a walk through with a laser range finder. Its not uncommon to find 100+ yard spaces indoors where a shot may need to be fired. Isn't going to be pretty or safe for bystanders if you're only option is a pistol.

 

Doesn't matter what area you work, if you have a Walmart, Kmart, or grocery store; take a walk through with a laser range finder. Its not uncommon to find 100+ yard spaces indoors where a shot may need to be fired. Isn't going to be pretty or safe for bystanders if you're only option is a pistol.

Or even a corridor at the local school... plenty of them are 50 to 75 yards long.

One things the Clueless do not get is that they do not get to decide what the threat is... that is decided on the street, by the bad guys. Their job is to decide how to deal with the threat that exists. Looks like they have decided to stick their heads in the sand and make up untrue excuses as to why they are doing nothing.

 

Anyone who knows Nolan thinks he is a complete ass hole, he was when he was on the job and when he was teaching in Boston.

 

sad , but not surprising.

the absolute free for all during the bombing didn't help.

seeing guys standing in the streets for a week with rifles at the low ready didn't look good.

 

Marty Walsh= typical democrunt that is shameless enough to reach out-of-state to find a politi-cop shitird like Nolan to justify imprinting his anti-gun, anti-cop BS on us.
Sad part is ANY of the early mayoral candidates except probably Dan C, would've done this too! Thank God I live in the sticks...

 

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Thomas Nolan....... total douchebaggery.

Totally clueless once he went into the Ivory Tower of Academia.

 

In Crazyworld (where Libs roam free) if the cops have less fire power, then the shitbirds will, as an act of good faith, use nothing more than a revolver. YAY!! Fucking morons. Keep voting Dem.

Nolan, you are a traitor which makes you a cunt. GFYS!