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Walpole cops set record: Town now has three female police officers on the force
By Anna Orlando / News Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 18, 2004

WALPOLE -- Selectmen hired two female police officers, bringing the total number of female cops in town to three -- the most the department has ever had.
"I think it's good that they hired more women, absolutely," said Walpole resident Karen Lichtenstein. "I don't know if the ratio (of male to female officers) matters, but if crimes occur against women, I would think women would be more comfortable talking to other women."
Selectmen have hired Maria Gonzalez, a former Taunton cop who was recently laid off, and Dorothy Mucciarone, Walpole's current part-time dispatcher.
Jackie Nay has been the only female officer in Walpole since she graduated from the police academy about eight months ago.
"Prior to her (Nay) being hired, it has been a number of years that we had a female (officer) and it was a void we felt we had to fill," Lt. Scott Bushway said. "We felt one (female officer) was not representative of our goals. We felt it was time to seek approval from the Board of Selectmen and the civil service to hire not one, but two, additional females."
"If the girls can do the job then I think hiring policewomen is just fine," Walpole resident Susan Pelletirer said. "I'm sure they're just as qualified."
The two newest cops in town have excellent qualifications, according to selectmen. They did not interview any other candidates.
Gonzalez, a Taunton resident, graduated from the police academy in March 1996. She has also been an officer in East Boston and Jamaica Plain.
"When I was in East Boston I worked every shift, did drug arrests, you name it, I did it," Gonzalez told selectmen during her interview.
Gonzalez transferred from East Boston to Jamaica Plain to be closer to her three sons, but then moved to Taunton to move her children out of the Boston school system, she said.
In Jamaica Plain, Gonzalez, who is fluent in Spanish, was the community police officer.
"I would go into businesses in town and everyone knew me by my first name," she told selectmen. "I like dealing with people; it's refreshing."
Gonzalez is working toward her master's degree in criminology at Boston University and plans to graduate in May.
Mucciarone has an associate's degree in criminology from Bunker Hill Community College and is a full-time dispatcher for the Massachusetts State Police in addition to being Walpole's part-time dispatcher.
"I love being a dispatcher, but I feel I am ready to take a more active role in criminal justice," Mucciarone told selectmen during her interview. She also told selectmen she worked as a park ranger and has attended a park ranger academy.
Mucciarone will have to graduate from the police academy before she begins work as a Walpole policewoman. Gonzalez is scheduled to begin work later this month.

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No offense to the women on this board, but this pisses the hell out of me that my hometown, the town i wanted to work for, a civil service agency, can go ahead and hire who ever they want, and get around civil service rules. I dont question their qualificatios, but when the selectmen appoint people who's most paramount reason for hiring was the fact that they pee sitting down only furthers the never ending frustration with mass police hiring politics. :sb:
Interview 2, hire 2.....I love it!!!!!!! :evil:
 

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Thats too bad. I have a buddy who is very high on the list in Walpole and was really looking forward to getting in the hiring process there. Looks like he'll have to wait a couple more years.
 

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An Officer that I work with is #1 on there list and never received a card or anything.
I am no civil service expert by any stretch of the imagination but.....if your friend is #1 on their list, and never recieved a card, I think he has a beef. The dispute would only arise because of the dispatcher being hired though, because the other female was from the laid off list. I realize that they can/will hire who they want (political game). Any civil service experts have any comments.
 

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I believe a town can ask for a "special qualifications" Civil Service list. I have heard of EMT-only, female-only, Spanish speaking-only, and sign-language qualified as examples of this.

Walpole probably took the laid off TPD officer (totally legit) and requested a "female-only" list for one candidate (which would generate a card for the top three women on the list). The other two women either did not sign or were otherwise eliminated before the interview process.

It sucks, but it is playing by the rules according to HRD.

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Just to expand on what Tommy-hawker said;

A town can utilize the "females" list when their ranks have less than 10% females. Since they only had one, I'm sure it was not a problem!

P.S. Even then they can still use loopholes to get to a female on the list if they want to.
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I'm a female, and even I get mad about stuff like that. I would like to think that I get hired because I can fulfill the job, not because I'm a female and they need to fill a quota. However, this may sound hypocritical, but if I get offered a job, I'm going to take it. Especially in a state like Massachusetts where it is so difficult to get said job.

It's a Catch-22 situation, not an easy one either. I think a lot of females are on the line of the decision because they may feel they only got the job because of their gender, but they want to be a police officer and take the job.

That's just my :2c:.
 

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I was glad to see a laid off officer get on, and I have met this other one that works as a dispatcher, and she seems like a good candidate. If I was offered a job because of something I didnt work to achieve, I would be wondering what kind of reception I'd get from fellow candidates still sitting on a list.
2 interviewed though? WTF. Oh well time to face facts and realize in Massachusetts, candidates are not chosent paramountly for thier qualifications, and civil service authorizes reverse-discrimination.

Bottom like, Civil Service Sucks!
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"I think it's good that they hired more women, absolutely," said Walpole resident Karen Lichtenstein

NO S&^T you think its good......maybe because you are a WOMAN! I think women cops are great, but if you want to be treated no different then the men.....then get in line.....none of this bypassing number one crap on the list to get to a woman!!!!
 

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Call MCAD and tell them that you were discriminated against based on sex for hiring for a state position. Hiring based on sex, race, or anything else, other than being the best man/woman/alien for the job is government condoned discrimination in my mind. It's too bad that stuff like this can still happen. If they went down the list and this woman still got hired, then good for her. She was the best person for the job, but how do you know who is and who isn't, when the town picks and chooses who they want to hire without giving opportunity to others.
 

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I was #1 on the civil service list for my home town of Dedham for 4 years. Vietnam Era Veteran, Resident, Top scorer w/o the vetpoints. There was a MCAD lawsuit against the town, because the Police, Fire & Public Works Depts. were all white male. I never got hired :( , they skipped over me and others to hire three minorities (2 were women). Things worked out eventually, I've worked on the old Capitol PD, Norwood PD and Now the MSP, Good things eventually come to those who wait. :D
 

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Due to personal connections I will limit my :2c:

Yes both candidates were qualified. The hiring was totally legit by HRD rules.

My opinions will be kept to myself.... even though as a Male, I do agree with this hiring.

Perhaps civil circus should get rid of the "Females-only", "EMT-only", "Vet-only" lists. It goes back to the VETS preference debate.... It's ok to skip other people with a high score in favor for a Vet, but it's not OK to skip others for a woman? I see it as discrimination either way. You discriminate for females and you're discriminating against non-vets as well. I'm ok with the EMT requirement though (I'm not an EMT) as it is more relavent to the job.
 

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Perhaps civil circus should get rid of the "Females-only", "EMT-only", "Vet-only" lists. It goes back to the VETS preference debate.... It's ok to skip other people with a high score in favor for a Vet, but it's not OK to skip others for a woman? I see it as discrimination either way. You discriminate for females and you're discriminating against non-vets as well. I'm ok with the EMT requirement though (I'm not an EMT) as it is more relavent to the job.
The only difference in the discrimination factor I see with this statement is that Vets have earned their status, as opposed to women or minorities, whose only reason for rating a higher consideration was that fact that they born.
 

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I respect the VETS. But I don't see how someone's decision to join the military and serve time for VET status makes them better than me or any other non-vet.

They (VETS) freely decided to serve in the Armed Forces, since there hasn't been any recent drafts. Though they serve proudly, and they should be proud, I don't see how they are better than me. NO ONE forced them to join the military. Like some other folks stated before, if they (I) could have afforded it or for other reasons in their personal life, could have, they would have joined the military.

We are ALL created equal and should be treated as such. In the civil service method, we should all be ranked as such... not because one is a vet, minority or a female, but by score.

There are tons of VETS on the list that would probably fall past the rank of 100 based on just test score, but because of their VET pref. they zoom to the top. C'mon, we all know some VETS that are dumb as bricks too... all they have to do is PASS the test and zoom up the list. Is that fair? Example: on a small town list there maybe be just one Resident/VET, he may only have scored an 80...but ZOOM!! right over the Resident that scored a 98 because he's a VET.

I'm willing to compromise, give the VET a "couple" extra points, but not preference. There was a female in this thread earlier (Badogg88) and she stated:
I would like to think that I get hired because I can fulfill the job, not because I'm a female and they need to fill a quota.
VETS should feel the same way... Getting preferential treatment is lame. Anyone else agree?

Oh boy... :shock: .... This should spark something
 

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RPD,

Well said! I agree with you 100% Nothing wrong with giving Vets 2 extra points.....some have earned it, but full pref....NO WAY!
 

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I have to chime in on this one. I too served willingly in the AF for 5+ years, during peacetime, in the early 80's. I took the exam in '99 and scored 100. I have many years of experience, academy trained, etc. Yet folks can play the system, go in the Army for two years and peel potatos in Missouri and go ahead of me and others with similar experience(s). WHAT A CROCK! That's why kids coming out of high school are told if you want to be a fireman/policeman go in the service and do your time. With the current situation in the Middle East the "preference" will never end.
 
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