[FSCPD]

Still picking of FSC just because we don't want to join your club?? Why do you have to make it so personal? We read your info, we listened. Even our AFSCME rep sent us copies of all your info and emails. We talked about it and decided that we are not interested. Why is this so hard for you to understand? We didn't pick on you or bother you, but you insist on emailing us all and posting stuff like this. You're getting more and more condescending and aggressive and honestly, I'm a little offended. Take the hint... Go Away. I'm all for a police union, but this is a bad idea.

And if you really must know what we have done on our own by standing up for our selves and putting together well though out and thorough proposals, with the backing of AFSCME.

We went up a pay grade and step last year, 50% increase in shift diff. $700 clothing allowance (yes we're armed) They helped us when we wanted to address the fact that our Chief and Captain are both raging a-holes. They sat in on mediated meetings between the officers and the admin. Once again, that isn't a union issue, it's a personal issue and we had to do it ourselves. They helped us plan and sat in on the meetings and made sure nothing contractual was changed. As far as making your department better. They back us on everything we said we wanted to do, we just had to have some spine and make it happen. Guns aren't in a contract, you have to explain to the liberal yahoos why you need them. put together a good presentation. Get documentation and crime stats.

You can't put in a contract that people have to be nice to you and care about you. What you can do is address the negative work environment with your supervisors and bring a union rep with you to make sure you don't get punished for speaking out. We've done that and it worked. Why would we want to change to a smaller, lower funded, less experienced union when what we have is working fine?

Like I said, it's working for us and we're not interested. I personally don't care what you do but leave me out of it. I'm not trying to slow you down. Why do you insist on dragging us into it?

Grow up.

And tell that lawyer to stop email me and calling me a janitor.

Posted Thu 22 Jul, 2004 14:07:

Hee Hee!

We are meeting with Bill Fisher CPO I/EMT-I/AFSCME Unit II Chief Steward/Campus Police Contract Negotiating Representative (Whew!) and VP Chris Wilkins about what we would like to see in the new contract.
:lol:
Oh, BTW............................
The Council 93 entity and Local 1067 Chief steward have already bailed out of the meeting.
:wink:

Will be glad to report on how the meeting goes

It doesn't sound like you're going in open minded... Bill's a good guy, really. tell him what you want to see.

 

[FSCPD]

Look I don't know who you people are and I really don't care. All I know is that members of my department keep getting emails from this Brian guy who insists on emailing each of us personally even after repeated requests to stop. We all said a while ago that we are not interested but I keep getting emails telling me that unless I support you people I will never amount to anything but a janitor. Like you called it "the janitor's club"

I know that today I got another email from this guy and I said I'm not interested please don't email me. Then I get another email calling me a janitor and an uninformed idiot. (he didn't use the word idiot) and that he can email me if he wants to it's not against the law. I replied and said that's nice stop bothering me. Not 1 hour later I see a post on MassCops that says "tell me one good thing.. etc (especially Fitchburg State)"

I think we made it clear that we want to be left alone, you keep saying "If you guys don't want to be in a Police union then so be it." so let it be already, and stop antagonizing.

The janitor references are very mature. Oh and by the way, the union posted the position of contract negotiator for unit 2 and a guy who happens to be a cop ran and since he was unopposed he got it. Your problem is with your stewards not the union. If they were paying attention, or if you talked to them you would have know and you could have run. If you want to do it then do it. If you don’t like your stewards at your college then run against them and do it your self. If you want to know who Bill is then call or email him. If you don’t know the number then talk to your union steward because I saw him send an email to every steward in mass telling them to forward it to the Campus Police with all his contact info and what he was going to do.

FSC is not an easy department that gets every thing it wants. It’s hard work and we get little respect from our own admin and we have to work hard to get them to support us. But those aren’t union issues, they are personal issues but we stick together and work hard. If your union rep won’t work hard for you then run against them and work hard your self. It is what you make it. It doesn’t just do it all for you.

I realize that the first post may have seemed really out of context to most of you, but Bill Johnson and this Brian guy have been going back and forth with lost of us after repeated request to just leave us out of it. They keep looking up officer’s email on the internet and emailing each of us and telling us to join or we’ll just wait away in janitor-vill. When we tell them we are not interested it’s like they take it as a personal attack and start up with these childish responses like what has the janitors union ever done for you huh? That is why this post struck such a chord. It was less then an hour after my last email to Brian asking him to stop emailing me.

Like I said I don’t care what you guys do, but please afford us the same courtesy.

Thanks.

mpd61, How did the meeting go?

 

[FSCPD]

I am more then happy to agree to disagree.
Informational email is fine, in fact it's great. Info is always good. I get personal emails from people trying to argue that my opinion is wrong. Why do you all care so much? So I don't agree with you. Who cares? move on. Stop writing me emails about your opinions.
I'm not complaining about the choice, it's the way it's being forced on me. It's like when someone offers you mashed potatoes and you say "no thanks" that's the end of it. Now every one is standing in front of me with a bowl of mashed potatoes saying "Eat it! How can you not like mashed potatoes? what's wrong with you? Eat it you'll like it!"
I don't want any.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore this is stupid I think we can all agree that no good will come of any of this. If no one will help you then be your own rep and help your self. I notice no one here has tried being the rep for their dept...
Bottom line, I don't care what you do as long as you stop trying to force it on me. I'm not pro AFSCME I think a janitor's union is odd and out of place too. I just don't happen to agree with MCLEA either.

Lets all just move on.

 

[FSCPD]

I agree completely with Union1. I don't disagree with the idea of a police union. I just feel like this is being rushed way to fast. There should be a little more forethought and some more solid information to back up a good plan. Do we know how much money we need to run a union? so how many people will we have? so what should the dues be? Do we have a proposed contract started? There should be something so we don't have to start from scratch AFTER the union is formed. It just sounds a little too thrown together. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I am please share some of the specifics to help support your claim of "it will be better this way, trust me" I'd like to but I've been told that before. I'd like some solid facts and number to make an informed decision. The reason I have said I'm not for this cause is I have yet to get solid facts just claims of sunny skies and telling me how bad I have it now.

j809, Why so angry? You have proven nothing about your argument or your abilities. Only that you posses the ability to lose your temper. This is what worries me about MCLEA. I keep hearing from people with nothing but bad things to say in outbursts of anger and I am afraid that if the people leading the movement are this unstable and short fused I don't want to be associated with them. I hope this is not true and that it is only a vocal few who act this way.
Don't talk to me about standing up and making change. If you had any idea of the things we've been through and the changes we've made and continue to make, and the things I've done in the past years... or about my life and me as a person. Your ignorant out burst is most unbecomeing.
By the way we are armed in this ghetto, and we do work together and we do get things done, and who does detex rounds anymore? Do you make these staments from knowledge or assumptions? Besides I thought we weren’t bashing here. But I feel this argument is wasted on deaf ears.

Maybe I do like mashed potatoes, just not the instant kind.

I thought we were moving on from picking on each other, no good will come of this.

 

[FSCPD]

Irish Wampanoag,
We are armed, and we have 13 officers 2 sgts an captain and a chief, dispatchers and SST. The guy who made that one case law that you are talking about was here over 10 years ago and our powers were completely different then.

So now that we know who's the ignorant one, why don't you get your facts straight and realize that I never once said I was pro AFSCME or any other group I just feel like this new union might have some problems but no one wants to listen to any suggestions. Any one who doesn't want to blindly follow you into the abyss is a traitor and you refuse to accept any other possibilities.

But one last time, I thought we had agreed to move on and try to be productive and discuss some positive aspects of future change. Why are you still being so negative?