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This dashcam video is better than Viagra

Discussion in 'War Stories' started by Hush, Feb 17, 2015.

  1. Herrdoktor

    Herrdoktor MassCops Member

    It's not MMQB-ing if it's officers talking to each other going over poor tactics. You fall into the MMQB hole when it's a bunch of jack offs from the media who have no idea what they are babbling about criticizing some video they are watching.

    My biggest issues from that video is having the female in the middle of lane and the goon squad of cruisers coming up into a cross fire situation.

    I think most of us having been on traffic stop shooting scenes and/or have had to draw their sidearm on a person inside a vehicle. It's usually a complete shitshow but you have to rely on proper training to see it through. This goes double for the guys coming in hot as back up.

    We all get geeked up when we hear our buddy needs help but that doesn't mean we throw sound tactics out the window.
     
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  2. LA Copper

    LA Copper Subscribing Member

    This is the kind of stuff I enjoy discussing on here, we should do it more often.
     
  3. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    Was happy to attend the training last summer. Location was close by and the price was right for a two day seminar. However I think we all agreed it was pretty basic stuff . I think the best part was just getting a chance to meet a couple of Masscop members :cool:

    Have attended different kinds of training over the years, but what really impressed me the most was the day I spent touring the FBI Academy years ago.
    Things like Hogan's Alley and their closed circuit driving course provided those agents with some top-notch training.

    Would love to see some of that training here in Massachusetts. Things are more dangerous than ever this days and officers really need the best training possible
     
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  4. TacEntry

    TacEntry MassCops Member

    Another important video. One I always find myself saying "Shoot him"!

    0 warrior mindset = getting assaulted, shot and or/killed.
     
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  5. TRN

    TRN MassCops Member

    One less shit bird on the streets.
     
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  6. mpd61

    mpd61 Retired Fed, Active Special

    Sad but in many cases......Irrefutable and Inexcusable...
     
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  7. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    From an excellent discussion on another forum (lightfighter.net), a friend with a .mil BG and no LE experience picked up on the fact that the bad guy tossed a cigarette prior to contact, something I did not see.:

    Originally Posted by Bloody yank:
    Anyone notice how the driver had the audacity and muted levels of situational awareness to just toss a lit cigarette butt right on the ground. Geez.
    How did this individual or passenger not notice Leighty standing right next to their pov? Do we know if they were they blasted on street drugs or something?

    REPLY:
    Tossing a cigarette is a pre-fight indicator. It free's the hands and mind for action and gives one last blast of nicotine. Clearing the decks for action as it were.
    BG perspective: If you are preparing to center punch a cop, are you really worried about the littering ticket?
    The video does not show the angles (and can't). But having used the passenger side approach alot, unless the driver is using his mirror, and the cop comes too far forward; the occupants can't see you. Like building clearing, it is all about angles and correct technique.

    I'll add that lighting a cigarette should also get the hairs standing up
     
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  8. TacEntry

    TacEntry MassCops Member

    Yes - pre- assault indicators.

    My personal fave is the "felon stretch". Being able to identify, act and articulate in your report writing will take you to the next level on this job. Remember: "hit them back first".
     
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  9. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    Jeez, can't even "lurk" over there on "lightfighter". For some reason i always thought they sold web gear or something.

    Hope they approve my membership. Even had to share my hobbies :D
     
  10. GARDA

    GARDA Subscribing Member

    I'm a bit late to the party as usual, but here goes...
    Job well done choosing to walk to the rear of the cruiser
    and approach the passenger side while ALSO ensuring
    not to silhouette himself crossing in front of his own
    cruiser's spot/headlights... and,
    I for one happen to love the distance between cruiser and violator's car.
    Once you've had a shitbird with ill-intent toward you jump out of his car
    at half-that-distance in front of your cruiser, you will grow to appreciate that
    the more reaction time you have to deal with him the better...
    At times, distance can be your friend.
    Now, upon approach, why commit yourself beyond the B-Pillar of the car?
    As LA basically said, hang back where you still have a tactical advantage.
    Finally... the day that I have time to radio anyone with "He's got a gun"
    whilst taking a bite of a shit-sandwich, is the day I fear others have gone to their grave thinking,
    "If only I had been properly trained". As Hank said, lucky he was.
     
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  11. JD02124

    JD02124 Supporting Member

    Of course it's luck and anyone that's been involved in a life and death situation will admit that. Not like tactics and training doesn't tip the scale in your favor but luck is a big part. Example and not trying to pull out my man parts and challenge a size contest but when I was in Afghanistan the truck I was in as well as two others drove over an IED and didn't go off till two trucks after mine. I Consider myself lucky not tactical.
     
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  12. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    Old friend use to tell me all the time "better lucky than good" :cool:
     
  13. GARDA

    GARDA Subscribing Member

    FACT: Sadly, Bad Guy DNA is always luckier than Good Guy DNA: EVERY FREAKING TIME.
    TRUTH: With hard work and good tactics we create our own good luck. 'The harder I work the luckier I get'.
     
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  14. JD02124

    JD02124 Supporting Member

    I doubt maybe gang bangers get time on the range haha.
     
  15. LA Copper

    LA Copper Subscribing Member

    Garda,
    I've had both, suspects get out of their car and come back toward me and suspects have guns in their cars when I walked up on them.

    As for the suspect getting out of his car and coming back to you, this is the main reason we don't sit in our cars to write tickets, that's a huge no no out my way.

    As for having to use the patrol car as cover, that's why I'd rather not have it stopped too far behind the suspect's car. That was a huge space, aka kill zone, between their two cars. Just a matter of preference on this one I guess.

    JD,
    As for you driving over the IED and it didn't explode until two trucks behind you, you had no control over that so I agree, that was good luck... and thank goodness for you! As for an example like the one we're talking about here on this traffic stop, the officer had a lot to do with what happened, good and bad, so in my opinion, luck is a minor factor in a situation like this.

    And yes, I have been involved in several life or death situations during my 26 years with the LAPD.
     
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  16. JD02124

    JD02124 Supporting Member

    That's just one situation I've been involved in maybe I just don't give myself enough credit. I'm not agreeing with the officers tactics in the video there were a few "wtf" moments for me, but he still made it through. I consider him lucky and I'm glad he came out on top.
     
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  17. GARDA

    GARDA Subscribing Member

    Hey LA, Godspeed Brother... however, maybe as u said it is just a matter of preference on this one I guess? I prefer not to be too close to the car ahead of me for several reasons To each our own I suppose. Stay Safe now and always.
     
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  18. LA Copper

    LA Copper Subscribing Member

    It's a very rare circumstance where everything goes just right and when it does, thank goodness for that. When it doesn't, personally I'd prefer to fall back on my training and good tactics rather than luck. However, when those don't work out, I'll take the luck!

    Again, I like these types of discussions, they really get us thinking, which is a really good thing.
     
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  19. LA Copper

    LA Copper Subscribing Member

    I'd enjoy going on a ride along with you next time I'm home, I bet we'd have some interesting discussions, not to mention a lot of fun!
     
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  20. Bloodhound

    Bloodhound MassCops Member

    Here's a quote from an article about that shooting (or lack of shooting):

    They wanted to spend 44 grand on shields to prevent this happening again. How about spending that money on training your officers in use of force tactics. Disgusting.
     
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  21. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    Lightfighter is an OUTSTANDING network, more business than fluff, and an incredible wealth of knowledge with an impressive membership base of pretty high speed people. Weeds out a lot of the blowhard types on most of the other tactical/gun forums.

    Another great comment from their thread on this video:
    I like that the dept. training doesn't seem to default to "use car for cover" The officer boogied to the 2 o'clock and used darkness to advantage once he had solved problem #1
    Either that or this particular guy has been to school on his own time and dime or has done counter ambush work, maybe in the service.
    Either way, his first, second and follow-on moves were not right back to the bullet magnet with lights.
    I also like that this guy brought the fight, continued the fight, and decisively finished the fight. That last shot may take some articulation, but I liked it anyway.
    There is a lot that goes really right in this video to talk up during roll call or trainings.
    But:

    The cover officer clearly isn't entertaining the idea that the chick could (still) be a threat. Then he grabs his blaster, points it vaguely in the direction of the mutt and just as clearly decides mutt is hard down as well. Maybe he was, but until he is secured and the coroner ha declared him, he is a clear and present threat.
    All in all good show! I would buy these guys a round or three.
     
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  22. JD02124

    JD02124 Supporting Member

  23. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    Have seen some of these videos from other parts of the country and wonder if there's a heavy gun culture and seeing a firearm doesn't really effect these officers ?
     
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  24. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know if it's regional, or just comes down to the officers own comfortableness around firearms/confidence in his training. There are civilians and cops alike who shit their pants at just seeing a gun, let alone one held in a menacing manner.
     
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  25. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    Can't speak to traffic stops, but when working details in built up areas i like to stay out of the car and close to the work crews.

    The utility guys seem to like the company and it keeps me from being a trapped target in the cruiser.

    Might retreat back to the car in the really cold weather to warm up for a few minutes since the polyester suit doesn't lend itself to any real warmth even with extra layers and having to engage street people and passer-byes while standing outside can be annoying at times, but i just chalk it up as part of the job.
     
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