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State Police staffing now at ‘severe levels,’ Patrick officials say

Discussion in 'State Police' started by kwflatbed, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. OfficerObie59

    OfficerObie59 Public Trough Feeder

    I'm all for an MBTA/MSP merger. Less duplicative overhead and streamlined brass. Plus, asset sharing is key to the terrorist threats that are relatively unique to public transit.

    I happen think that most state LE agencies (MBTA, MEP, etc.) should be rolled into MSP. With that said, I only favor such mergers if they are implemented properly. Everyone seems to equate "merger" with an onslaught of new troopers. It doesn't necessarily have to be that way.

    In the long run, the savings would hopefully stave off more drastic cuts elsewhere, such as to benefits and the like.
     
  2. MSPField

    MSPField MassCops Member

    Was about to write a comment but I see Wolfman already made my point that those states have sheriffs who have an active policing role.
    Although I'd also add that we also staff more investigative offices then many state police agencies as well (AG, DA, SSS, task forces, etc.)
     
  3. irish937

    irish937 MassCops Member

    nail on head!
     
  4. SinePari

    SinePari Needs more complaints

    The article is clearly throwing red meat out there for the people to gnaw on. It equates more troopers, which to the average work-a-day Joe means more ATMs (armed ticket machines) to nab him during his hour commute to his miserable job. That, PLUS an insurance surcharge just to pay for more ATMs. I have a healthy heart so I'm not going into the comments section which may effectively shut down one my ventricles.
     
  5. OfficerObie59

    OfficerObie59 Public Trough Feeder

    Perhaps you're right, though you don't get instant savings--you cut positions through attrition.

    My main point is that it always seems the opposition of MSP merging with anyone always comes from nightmares of a '92 repeat, where a bunch of new cops who haven't been through an RTT are given Trooper uniforms. What I'm talking about is something similar to NYPD's merger with Transit in the '90's.

    Right now, state-wide police agencies compete for limited resources, and streamlining seems to make more logistical sense when you break down the usual barriers. For example, what makes more sense at an airport? State Troopers or Transit Police?
     
  6. Andy0921

    Andy0921 MassCops Member

    Are the comments really an accurate reflection of the citizenry? If so, now I know where "mass hole" was derived from. And I thought the comments in our local rag were ruthless...
     
  7. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    I consider the average EPO to have more training than the average police officer/trooper, because they go through the full police academy, then go on for more training in the myriad of environmental and wildlife laws that confuse the hell out of me.

    Many years ago I went to a call of a guy hunting at Squantum Point Park, and because that's DCR property, I had dispatch call the MSP, but neither I nor the responding trooper had any idea what we could legally do, so we called the MEP, who came down and thankfully took over the whole mess.
     
  8. SinePari

    SinePari Needs more complaints

    A merge always benefits one party more than the other. Besides the usual grumblings about who's uniform looks better, as long as any merge forced upon the members keeps each entity as separate and distinct divisions, not just troops, and a moratorium on transfers should keep the subsequent revolts to a minimum.
     
  9. MSP75

    MSP75 Guest

    The one thing with merges is that the the other agencies merging in to the other all of a sudden move their secretaries, janitors, etc in to LEO positions. Then, when the merge occurs, they are troopers.
     
  10. cc3915

    cc3915 MassCops Angel Staff Member

    Dammit! I've been exposed, but I was a hell of a janitor and a pretty good secretary to boot.
     
  11. dave7336

    dave7336 MassCops Member


    I thought it was just the Sheriff departments that had all of the cool toys like ATV's, boats, etc...
     
  12. BrickCop

    BrickCop Subscribing Member

    Surely you're not inferring that the MSP appointed janitors (whose training primarily involved how much saw dust to sprinkle on hallway vomit) as troopers post merge ? That's a news story if I ever heard one, how'd Victoria Block miss that whopper of a story?
     
  13. 7costanza

    7costanza Supporting Member

    Dont call him Shirley.
     
  14. Tuna

    Tuna Always entertained

    No, MEP does have all the cool toys : Dirt bikes, ATV's, Boats 12' to 46' snomobiles. The difference is MEP uses them for law enforcement, search and rescue and patroling. sheriffs dept. does great parades.

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    Thanks Delta. Our biggest problem is we have no infrastructor. We rent or borrow our HQs.space. We rely on other dept for lock up and processing. Plenty of toys no house to put them in.
     
  15. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    Where do you guys book your arrests, the local PD or the closest MSP station?
     
  16. Tuna

    Tuna Always entertained

    Who ever we do well with. I've booked at Concord Barracks, Framingham Barracks Revere Barracks. Worcester PD Spencer PD Billerica PD Glocester, Newburyport ect. I guess it's what's quickest, easiest and can't forget, FUN Most Pd's are great. Have had a few problems a long time ago. pre WMS although I can't blame the mids OIC not wanting to take a coked out retard who shit himself.
     
  17. Killjoy

    Killjoy Zombie Hunter

    Back from the field, Q-5?
     
  18. TopCop24

    TopCop24 Working in the land of misfit toys

    The same can't be said at all barracks thats for sure> I will spare the ugly details, but it went WAY too far on both ends
     
  19. niteowl1970

    niteowl1970 Moderator Staff Member

    It seems MEPS aren't fully welcome at local courthouses either... Armed anyway.
     
  20. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    I'm trying to think if we've ever booked an MEP arrest, and I don't think so, which makes sense, considering the proximity of SP Milton and SP South Boston, but I'm very confident that no one would have a problem if an EPO needed us to book/hold a prisoner for them, for whatever reason. A bad guy taken off the streets by a legitimate police officer is always a good thing, IMO.

    The only booking we've ever refused, as far as I know, was a constable from out-of-state who insisted he had federal authority to make his arrest for non-support. I believe our shift commander told him to call the US Marshals, then told him to get lost. :shades_smile:

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    Very unfortunate.
     
  21. mpguy

    mpguy MassCops Member

    J/W but Mcgregor range?
     

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