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Senate’s sweeping police reform bill would end qualified immunity

Discussion in 'Politics & Law Enforcement' started by USAF3424, Jul 6, 2020.

  1. USAF3424

    USAF3424 MassCops Member

  2. 02136colonel

    02136colonel Supporting Member

    Maybe they can pass SB2602 while they’re in session this week. It’s only been in committee since March:mad::mad::mad:
    But if qualified immunity is eliminated, it’s something that the unions need to address during contract negotiations (either for the city to indemnify officers or for the city to pay for insurance policies for individual officers), so the as bad as the bill is, the timing works out with the contract up for negotiation
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  3. IamTheDude

    IamTheDude MassCops Member

    I hate the way these bills read, even the new coverage is vague.... can anyone break this thing down Barney style?

    Should I consider putting together a f'ing resume or not?
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  4. Roy Fehler

    Roy Fehler MassCops Member

    That bill will be the end of policing in Massachusetts, they might as well actually start sending social workers to every call.
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  5. FAPD

    FAPD MassCops Member

    Karen Spilka and Deleo...........
    Maybe they should just make all police like the State House Rangers, No Weapons. Ridiculous BS
    Chang-Diaz can go piss up a rope too.
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  6. msw

    msw MassCops Member

    Without qualified immunity, very few smart, dedicated people will become cops. Those that do, will become report takers, not pro-active crime fighters. The Leftist politicians pushing to eliminate qualified immunity know this, so the question is........ what is their “end goal” that they are trying to achieve? What do some of you think the answer to this question is?
  7. CCCSD

    CCCSD MassCops Member

    Coming soon to Cali and disarming us I bet...
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  8. mpd61

    mpd61 Retired Fed, Active Special

    Garbage, unjustified, knee-jerk, bowing to the raving minority GARBAGE
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  9. JD02124

    JD02124 Supporting Member

    Open up for the shit sandwich....
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  10. j809

    j809 Subscribing Member


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  11. RodneyFarva

    RodneyFarva Get off my lawn!

    Fattman stalls Massachusetts policing bill Friday, says will do same on Saturday

    Efforts to pass a policing reform bill continue to move only in fits and starts as debate was again delayed on Friday — and the senator who’s caused the delays says he has no plans to change his approach during this weekend’s rare Saturday session.

    State Sen. Ryan Fattman, a Sutton Republican, used a procedural move on Friday for the second day in a row to table debate on a police reform bill, bringing a halt to planned consideration of nearly 130 amendments. He told the Herald later in the day that he “100% plans to do the same during the Senate’s coming hearing on Saturday.

    “The Senate is jeopardizing reform in favor of an ideological wish list that will not pass the House,” Fattman said Friday night. “By slowing things down, we’ve already started to see greater dialogue, like the phenomenal speech by my colleague John Keenan.”Keenan, a Quincy Democrat whose brother is that city’s police chief, backed Fattman in the debate over the bill, which Beacon Hill leaders say they want to hammer out before the formal session ends later this month. Keenan, citing his great-grandfather, a Boston Police officer who was shot in the line of duty, and said more needs to be done to understand cops’ perspective.
    “In a society where people are going further and further apart, we find ourselves right in the middle,” Keenan said. “Not in the middle trying to draw people together, but with a bill that is well-intentioned, has good things, but for whatever reason is driving people apart.”

    But Sen. Sonia Chang-Diaz, a Boston Democrat and the branch’s lone member of the Black and Latino Legislative Caucus, said the Senate’s working group “had people at the table who were bringing explicitly the perspective of law enforcement.”

    “The president’s office, Ways and Means, myself, we met with stakeholder groups from law enforcement and wove their input into the bill,” said Chang-Diaz, a lead proponent of the existing bill. “Does it have everything they want? Of course not. Does it have everything that people from Roxbury want? Of course not, and I have to live with that discomfort. But to suggest that this process did not attempt to bring people together, I’m calling B.S. on that.”

    This comes as protests continue following high-profile police killings of minorities, leading to calls for cuts to police funding and changes in police oversight and use of force.

    The current bill would create an independent oversight and an investigatory body to hold police accountable and create a system to certify law enforcement officers. Police officers would also be required to intervene if they witness police misconduct and would have to undergo racism training. Language in the legislation bans chokeholds, places restrictions on the use of tear gas, and limits qualified immunity, which protects officers from being personally liable for what they do in their jobs.
    Opponents say the bill is is moving too quickly, is too expansive, and has not benefited from a public hearing.

    — Herald wire services contributed to this report.
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  12. USAF3424

    USAF3424 MassCops Member

    My brain keeps reading this is as “Fat man stalls Massachusetts policing bill” haha
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  13. visible25

    visible25 Supporting Member

    Passed. Multiple amendments voted out/withdrawal. But it passed.
  14. RodneyFarva

    RodneyFarva Get off my lawn!

    And on to the house it goes. People are already starting to organize a rally at the state house.
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  15. visible25

    visible25 Supporting Member

    Unknown amendment verbiage, no public hearing, rejections of amendments that would HELP police... Bravo Massachusetts
  16. Joel98

    Joel98 MassCops Member

    The radical leftists goal is to eliminate the policing system in America. And if they can’t do that through defunding the police, then they will do it by getting rid of qualified immunity, thus destroying policing from within. Many officers will leave and recruiting new officers will be impossible.
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  17. USAF3424

    USAF3424 MassCops Member

    Already working on my exit plan. This is not worth it anymore.
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  18. 02136colonel

    02136colonel Supporting Member

    Next BFD test is gonna have a line of Cops waiting to take it lol. Though AKAIK it does reset your ten years if you make the jump
  19. questionguy27

    questionguy27 MassCops Member

    Behind the curtain, it has been clearly documented among far leftist (communist, anarchist) academics such as Angela Davis or Assata Shakur that the purpose of defunding or inhibiting police operations is to set conditions for the abolishment of police, which leads to abolishment of capitalism (revolution). These people are smart. If you get rid of cops, crime will go up, but then there will be a power vacuum. Radicals are always looking for the next opportunity or movement to exploit. The scary part to this is that the far right (eg. 3% militias/Bundyites/legitimate terrorist Neo Nazis) are waiting for this day, too, because they build legitimacy through launching a counter-revolution in “defense” of democratic ideals, but in reality just want power.
  20. Joel98

    Joel98 MassCops Member

    The far right has nothing to do with this. Eliminating the police is straight out of the leftists playbook.
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  21. questionguy27

    questionguy27 MassCops Member

    Oh yeah, I agree with you. There’s only really one side calling for the total elimination of cops here. I’m just saying it’s not going to go over how they expect it will. Berkeley in 2016 is a great example.
  22. LGriffin

    LGriffin Always Watching

    I hope candidates understand that it is in their best interest to do an about face. I can’t believe they kept showing up after Ferguson.
    Democrats just want America to burn under the Trump Admin. They know LEO’s overwhelmingly supported him after Odrama waged war on us in 2008, so this is our punishment. Easy to see it coming since they aligned with the same mob that glorified Speed Bump after he murdered Sean and Martin and injured patriots.
    We can’t even rely on Republican Senators (Tarr and OConnor didn’t even have the balls to vote).
    Ultimately, anyone who can retire has already filed the paperwork. Any young men and women sharp enough to become Cops are sharp enough to do anything else. The writing was on that wall after Darren Wilson was forced into hiding for DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT - and people tolerated it! No one stood up for him.
    The best thing you can do now is stock up and prepare. They want it.
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  23. USAF286

    USAF286 MassCops Member

    Any truth to the NYPD putting a cap on how many cops can retire per month?

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  24. HistoryHound

    HistoryHound Supporting Member

    Is that even something that they can do? I would think if you have your time in there wouldn't be much the city could do to stop you.
  25. PG1911

    PG1911 Back Out in the Sticks

    Yep, it's step 1, but the goal is not to eliminate law enforcement. It's to eliminate law enforcement that serves the public and swears an oath to defend the Constitution. They want to replace the current law enforcement system with a paramilitary police that answers to "The Party" rather than the people, like the Red Guards, Stasi, KGB, SS, etc.
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