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A group opposed to the Chicago Police Department's plan to arm street cops with M4 semiautomatic assault rifles is planning to get their point across to the police board tonight.
Members of the Southwest Youth Collaborative, an advocacy group based on the city's South side, say they have collected more than 5,000 signatures from people opposed to the plan.
The petition, to be presented to Mayor Richard M. Daley, Police Commissioner Jody P. Weis and other city leaders, says the group is against "the militarization of the Chicago Police Department, our youth, and our low-income communities of color," wants the city to reverse course and seeks a public meeting on the issue.
The group is staging a "Live In Peace - Chicago Youth Rally," scheduled to begin at 6:30 p.m. tonight at police headquarters, 3510 S. Michigan Ave. The police board meeting starts at 7:30 p.m.
The Chicago Police Department wants to add the M4 to its arsenal because they can hold 30 rounds, twice as many as a typical 9 mm side arm, and because the semiautomatic rifles have a much greater range.
Weis and Mayor Richard M. Daley have said Chicago's cops, outgunned by an increasing number of criminals toting assault weapons, needed more firepower.

But last month, a Daily News review of federal firearms statistics suggests the number of assault weapons seized from Illinois criminals is not on the rise. Nor is the number of homicides committed with rifles in the nation. And rifles have been responsible on average for 15 percent of officer deaths each of the last six years.

Meanwhile, firearms experts say bullets from the M4 can travel nearly twice as far as those from a handgun, potentially posing risks for bystanders. And some policing specialists say equipping beat cops with military style weapons sends a message to police and citizens that combat, not cooperation, is the goal.
Several urban police departments in the United States, including the Miami Police Department, already use the M4 carbine.
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These whiners want the police to protect them, yet they want to limit the officers' abilities to defend even themselves. Absolute rubbish!

And some policing specialists say equipping beat cops with military style weapons sends a message to police and citizens that combat, not cooperation, is the goal.
Spoken by "specialists" who have not been on the front lines. Going with their mentality, I guess we should completely disarm officers 'cause Heaven forbid an officer should be prepared for any armed confrontation.
 

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It's amazing how the press can come out with statistics stating that assaults/murders with firearms are actually not that common, but only when they want to use the statistics against law enforcement. Now, if they would just admit how many of the guns used in crimes were obtained ILLEGALLY to start with. If this was a gun control story, they would be saying "every thug in the city is carrying an assault rifle"!
 

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But last month, a Daily News review of federal firearms statistics suggests the number of assault weapons seized from Illinois criminals is not on the rise. Nor is the number of homicides committed with rifles in the nation. And rifles have been responsible on average for 15 percent of officer deaths each of the last six years.
Oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The assault weapons ban is long gone and crime is declining? Do you mean...GUN CONTROL DOESN'T WORK?
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Sorry..are they talking about having these available to Officers, like in the cruisers...or actually on them...
 

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I have no problem with any Police officer in any dept carrying any weapon they want. How can the gangs get away with it, and then turn around and not want the people protecting us to have the tools.
 

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Police Officers are responsible for every single round that leaves any Firearm they are carrying...handgun or long gun...a 223 round travels at approx. 2800 ft per second and will go through alot of things including people...a round coming out of a handgun
is usually travelling at like 1200 ft per second.....big difference as far as missed rounds, ricochets and rounds going through the bad guy and continuing into the next buildig,home, car...thats the argument they are pitching..With that being said after that North Hollywood shootout its clear all Depts should have these weapons available to them....Cops should not be outgunned by scumbags or lawmakers..
 

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Police Officers are responsible for every single round that leaves any Firearm they are carrying...handgun or long gun...a 223 round travels at approx. 2800 ft per second and will go through alot of things including people...a round coming out of a handgun
is usually travelling at like 1200 ft per second.....big difference as far as missed rounds, ricochets and rounds going through the bad guy and continuing into the next buildig,home, car...thats the argument they are pitching..
The "overpenetration" issue is non-existent for .223 rounds, and actually a larger problem for pistol-caliber rounds. Because the .223 has a low mass and high velocity, it transfers energy far more efficiently to objects than lower-velocity higher mass rounds. As long as the velocity remains high (with FMJ, over 2700fps), the .223 round tends to yaw, then break up into pieces when striking human beings, hence a very low probability of actually punching through multiple persons. Pistol rounds, with lower velocity, but much higher mass, tend to plow through objects rather then become destabilized in them. This fact has caused the wide adoption of hollowpoint rounds by police departments to increase the lethality and reduce overpentration in pistol rounds. A problem still exists however, as hollowpoint rounds tend to get plugged with materials like denim and leather used in clothing, preventing the round from expanding and turning it essentially into an FMJ round. Hence overpenetration is far more likely in pistol rounds and less likely in high-velocity, low-mass rifle rounds. This is especially true considering the close distances that most police gunfights occur.

While it is true that a police officer is responsible for every round he fires, he is far more likely to hit what he is shooting at with a rifle as opposed to a pistol. Statistics show that police officers shooting pistols still miss a large amount of the time. This is not only due to the spontaneous circumstances that most gunfights occur in, or adrenaline and fear, but also the mechanical limitations that using a pistol imparts on its users. There is a maximum of only two points of contact on the human body with a pistol (the hands), and in most gunfights officers use only one hand (most gunfights occur in low-light hence the other hand is holding a flashlight). With the rifle there are four point of contact (the hands, shoulder and cheek), making it much easier to hit targets, even at long distances, with the rifle. Recoil is negligible and the peep sights are extremely easy to use. Worrying about hitting a target is essentially a training issue, not a weapon issue. Lethal force is lethal force, whether its a pistol, shotgun, sub-machine gun or rifle. Keep high standards and the officers will be that much more likely to hit their targets. Our job employs a 100% hit standard for patrol rifle operators; operators must score a 100% on the qualification course for the rifle, or they don't get one.

All this protest is about is typical liberal ignorance of firearms combined with the usual leftist fear of police officers. Hey here's a fact, don't commit crimes and shoot at police and you won't get shot. And if the one of the responding officers is armed with a rifle, he's a lot more likely to hit his target then an officer armed with pistol.

By the way, by definition, assault rifles are select fire, meaning they fire on semi-automatic and full automatic. I doubt very highly Chicago Police bought full automatic rifles for their non-SWAT officers.
 
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