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Proactive NH Agencies...

Discussion in 'New Hampshire' started by njcop44, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. njcop44

    njcop44 New Member

    Ok, so looking for some advice/suggestions. I am a police officer in New Jersey. I've been looking at making a lateral move to New Hampshire. I don't know much about any NH departments. I am looking for a larger department with opportunity to move into special units (traffic, narcotics, etc.) Also looking for a department that works permanent shifts. My current department rotates every two weeks and it is the worst schedule I've ever worked, I'm always tired, getting sick, etc.

    I am looking for a department that is proactive/agressive, and one that does not mind its officers going out and actually working. I work for a 28 officer department right now. With the exception of 3 or 4 guys all anybody wants to do is sit at the diner or go hide in a park somewhere. Many of the supervisors also discourage any traffic stops, and want everything "quiet" and don't want to be bothered. We work 3-5 man shifts, so if one things happens in town (i.e. traffic accident, domestic, etc) no one else can do anything. Or if one guy has an arrest in headquarters, the supervisor will tell you to just sit tight until they clear. So you end up letting alot go, and sit around do nothing. I just don't like the small town mentality and am looking to move onto something bigger and better. My big pet peeve is lazinees so I need a department that is proactive.

    I have been looking at the state police and printed an application to take the October test. Any opinions on NHSP? Any suggestions at all would be greatly appreciated. I am open to any input. Thanks in advance and stay safe!
     
  2. NorwichAlum

    NorwichAlum MassCops Member

    Looks like Manchester PD is hiring: Employment Opportunities

    Don't know much about them, but they are a decent sized dept.
     
  3. Inspector

    Inspector Subscribing Member

    First of all I question lateral transfers to "special units." This doesn't happen. You want to be a NH officer then you start at the bottom like everybody else, unless you are a chief somewhere and you come in "straighten out a department." Those guys usually don't last long, even up here. Still good police officer prevail in most communities. Good departments are the rule, not the exception. NHSP is tops, but there traffic is the focus. There are specialist positions like narcotics and major crime but troopers earn those slots. SWAT and bomb squad are duties selected troopers are called away from regular duties when needed. As for squared away local departments with action Manchester and Nashua come to mind. They are constantly recruiting. Hampton, Portsmouth and Concord are other areas where officers are tested.
    Keep in mind though that all officers in NH, from sheriffs to liquor investigators
    must meet rigid state requirements that include meeting academy standards to get on the job and again must meet physical and other training requirements every three years no matter where they work. The Chief in Hampton recently, citing his inability to attract even part time summer help, cited the physical requirements as one block to filling his roster. While pay is a factor in Hampton (no contract for five years), pushups etc. have killed the desires of many. While 100 applied, only 6 candidates came up to standards on the exams and other tests. Polygraphs, psychological exams and rigid background checks have tossed out many candidates.Like Hampton, the cities of Manchester and Nashua offer exams regularly but they leave many dead candidates on the lists. Experience, military and law enforcement, is almost a must today to get a job here. The same now holds true for having higher education. Many new hires have bachelor degrees, with some having masters degrees. If you're good enough don't hesitate to apply up here, there are opportunities, although hiring freezes officially and unofficially are in place retirements still happen. By the way, the current NH retirement system for police officers is still wonderful and allows earlier retirement than Massachusetts.
     
  4. DNorth

    DNorth MassCops Member

    If you are still young enough, go federal, I wish someone had encouraged me to do so much earlier in my career. You will have absolutely no regrets, especially if you are willing to relocate.
     
  5. The Bad LT

    The Bad LT MassCops Member

    A 28 man department in NH is just about the norm for most departments in southern NH. The further north you go, the more one horse it gets. My GF lives in NH and I have participated in some recruitment's up there. NH only has really 3 large cities, Manchester, Nashua and Concord. Manchester just had a recruitment supposedly they are looking for 8. Nashua wont be hiring for a long time. They hired over 20 officers the past 2 years to kill OT and believe it or not keep costs down. Concord hired 5 last year. Other various small departments use the Great Bay Comm College test to establish a list. Others list in the paper or online.

    Coming from NJ, which has a far greater amount of residents, you may be a little bored in NH. Unless your a nature freak, NH doesn't really have much to offer as far as city life.

    NHSP is top notch, they do more traditional patrol work in Northern NH. SP attend the same academy as all other officers in NH. I do believe they attend a pre ship academy though for 3 weeks(correct me if I am wrong)

    If you have been on the job in NJ take the NH EOT and get your state certification then start applying. Odds are you will get picked up. Good luck.
     
  6. njcop44

    njcop44 New Member

    I was under the impression that in order to take the NH "commuter law package" and get my training waived I had to be sponsored by a NH department. Is this correct, or can I get the waiver on my own?
     
  7. j809

    j809 Subscribing Member

    Don't know if Nhsp is all that, heard a few just left to come to Mass to be cops.
     
  8. Lost

    Lost MassCops Member

    Just curious how much knowledge you have of NJ demographics and policing to make these statements. I'm also curious what you base your "you may be bored" opinion on.

    Every job, every state and every individual is different. I'm assuming that someone who wants to move to NH from NJ is not looking for a more urban environment. The assumption that outside of those 3 cities, law enforcement is boring seems to be narrow minded and lacking of personal experience.

    The truth is that there are plenty of proactive and progressive policing agencies in NH. Salem, Londonderry, Derry, Dover, Portsmouth, Seabrook, Hooksett, Merrimack, Somersworth, Rochester- these are all busy and proactive departments, just off the top of my head. Hell, Hampton is very proactive when they aren't so damn busy and short staffed that they can take the time...

    Rant off.
     
  9. The Bad LT

    The Bad LT MassCops Member

    What crossed your ass? I have 5 years in LE. All those towns you listed are in Hillsborough County or Rockingham County. Like I said, southern New Hampshire has a larger number of residents, which means more of an opportunity for crime and larger police departments. It’s a no brainer, NJ has a total population of 8,707,739 according to google census. New Hampshire has a total population of 1,324,575 according to google census. Depending where you are from in New Jersey, New Hampshire will seem far more rural. Its not brain science.

    True, “proactive” means different things to different people, to me it means call volume and the types of calls received and initiated. If you’re running lidar all day I don’t consider that proactive. Although, I do agree it’s an important part of police work.

    The city of Manchester only has 108,000 residents according to their website. The city of Worcester has over 172,600. Just to give you an idea. I never said that any other city or town wasn’t worth working for other then Manch, Nashua, or Concord. I never said that you would be bored in the whole state of NH. The further north you go the less populated it is, and the smaller the police departments get. Most towns average a 15 man department or less once you pass Conway. The OP asked about special units, task forces room for advancement etc. Which, is what the bigger cities and towns have. "I just don't like the small town mentality and am looking to move onto something bigger and better."-NJCOP44 Why dont you read the entire thread before you start talking shit for no reason. Go grab a beer and calm down.
     
  10. SinePari

    SinePari Needs more complaints

    Welcome to Law Enforcement, my friend. If an agency has 2800, 300-400 of them just want to go hide too. Grass ain't always greener.
     
  11. Lost

    Lost MassCops Member


    BAD LT,

    I read your posts as someone placing conjecture based on previous applications you've submitted rather than work experience. If you are on the job, my sincerest apologies.

    What I was getting at is that the level of comparable service is much higher in NJ. NJ citizens are willing to pay extremely high taxes, sometimes double what we would pay up here, to have a very high level of service. In some parts of NJ, a 28 man department could cover what a 6 man department covers by me. For instance, I looked up a town similar to a small Newton that lies in NJ- population 12,000 over 4 square miles, 38 full time officers, including an SRT, dedicated traffic team and detectives. While the DEPARTMENT appears much more proactive, each individual officer is much more limited, as the po per capita is much much higher. The sector assignments are much much smaller areas.

    In New England, outside of MA, I feel like its much easier to specialize. There are fewer officers, covering more ground, so joining a SRT team is possible, but not likely to be full time. That said, there are far fewer specialties up here- that is undeniably true.

    Remember, a lot of drugs and contraband come out of vehicles, and LIDAR gives you a reason to stop them. If you are working in a 10 man dept covering 1000000000 sq miles, and your guys are all out working interdiction techniques, that qualifies as proactive to me.

    Again, my comments were based upon my assumption that you were not on the job, so I retract them with apologies.
     

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