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President please pardon these agents NOW

Discussion in 'Illegal Immigration Issues' started by Stevec, Jan 5, 2007.

  1. MCADPD24

    MCADPD24 MassCops Member

    I hope Pres Bush does the right thing before he leaves office.
  2. 7costanza

    7costanza Supporting Member

    Its not looking like he will but one can only hope..
  3. dcs2244

    dcs2244 Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not going to hold my breath...I just don't think he has the sand to do it...but I hope he proves me wrong...
  4. Irish Wampanoag

    Irish Wampanoag Subscribing Member

    I also hope that Bush will pardon most of the servicemen and women in the Army Air Force Navy and Marines who were and are unjustly prosecuted for political reasons in Iraq and Afghanistan since the war on terror began.

    Bush do the right thing and give pardons to these folks:FT::cussing:
  5. 94c

    94c Subscribing Member

    Every president pardons people before he leaves office.

    Let's wait and see his list of pardons....
  6. KozmoKramer

    KozmoKramer Administrator Staff Member

    W better pardon these 2 agents.
    He's not exactly high on my list of my favorite people, but if he slinks off without pardoning these 2 patriots, he's lower than whale shit IMHO....

    I've given that imbecile every break and consideration he has a right to, but all bets are off if Compean & Ramos aren't set free.
    And for good measure they should each be handed a check for 10 mil. for their trouble.
  7. DC10

    DC10 MassCops Member

    Dont hold your breath. Bush was known for appointing people who think like him and agree with him. (many, usually dems, hire people w/ some opposing viewpoints as a contrast.

    Like others have said, Bush appoints the AG;s for the judicial districts and therefore if he pardons them. you know how that would look in his mind.

    I agree, the 2 should be pardoned, I highly doubt Bush will do it.

    Its like when the war first started, Bush tried to cut hazardous duty pay for troops and at the same time said he supports them and wants to do all he can to help them

    tough situation for the PA's and their family
  8. StbbrnMedic

    StbbrnMedic fraggle tamer

    I signed!
  9. justanotherparatrooper

    justanotherparatrooper Pissin' in liberals cheerio's for 40 years :) Staff Member

    Bush Issues 19 More Pardons

    posted: 1 HOUR 2 MINUTES AGO
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    WASHINGTON (Dec. 23) - In a gesture of forgiveness for an American considered a hero in Israel, President George W. Bush on Tuesday granted a pardon posthumously to a man who broke the law to supply aircraft to Jews fighting in Israel's 1948 war of independence.
    Charles Winters was listed in a batch of 19 pardons and one commutation that Bush issued before leaving for Camp David to spend the holidays. No high-profile lawbreakers were on the list.

    So he'll pardon drug dealers and embezelers but not two men that were protecting our country! He is pissing me off more and more.
  10. jettsixx

    jettsixx Had enough

    This has got to be a kick in the teeth to the families of those two agents.
  11. 7costanza

    7costanza Supporting Member

    As if they need another kick in the teeth...if he doesnt pardon them before leaving office I will be shocked and very pissed.
  12. jettsixx

    jettsixx Had enough

    I doubt it would happen but if obama pardons these guys then I wont know what to think of I think I would still dislike him. But I would be happy he did at least one thing right.
  13. KozmoKramer

    KozmoKramer Administrator Staff Member

    Unquestionably... By the day I dislike that dunce more and more. And I was one of his more strident supporters Jett... No longer.
  14. CJIS

    CJIS MassCops Member

    Bush springs drug dealers, leaves border agents to rot — President George W. Bush today added a convicted methamphetamine dealer, a cocaine distributor and two marijuana suppliers to the list of drug operators he's pardoned while in office, bringing his total of drug suppliers who have been pardoned or had their sentences commuted to 36.
  15. 7costanza

    7costanza Supporting Member

    As we all know the reason he wont pardon them because it was one of his friends ( Alberto Gonzales ) that prosecuted them....he has openly admitted that his grandparents were likely illegals also....I am not expecting him to pardon them....maybe Obama might just to piss him off.
  16. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents

    By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer – 18 mins ago

    WASHINGTON – In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.

    Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

    Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005.

    Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.

    Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.

    The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.

    Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.

    They were convicted of shooting admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande, away from an abandoned van load of marijuana. The border agents argued during their trials that they believed the smuggler was armed and that they shot him in self defense. The prosecutor in the case said there was no evidence linking the smuggler to the van of marijuana. The prosecutor also said the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.

    The agents were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon and with serious bodily injury, violation of civil rights and obstruction of justice. All their convictions, except obstruction of justice, were upheld on appeal.

    With the new acts of clemency, Bush has granted a total of 189 pardons and 11 commutations.

    That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan issued during their two-term tenures. Bush technically has until noon on Tuesday when President-elect Barack Obama is sworn into office to exercise his executive pardon authority, but presidential advisers said no more were forthcoming.

    The president had made most of his pardon decisions on low-profile cases, but his batch in December created controversy.

    Isaac Robert Toussie of Brooklyn, N.Y, convicted of making false statements to the Department of Housing and Urban Development and of mail fraud, was among 19 people Bush pardoned just before Christmas. But after learning in news reports that Toussie's father had donated tens of thousands of dollars to the Republican Party a few months ago, as well as other information, the president reversed his decision on Toussie's case.

    The White House said the decision to revoke the pardon — a step unheard of in recent memory — was based on information about the extent and nature of Toussie's prior criminal offenses, and that neither the White House counsel's office nor the president had been aware of a political contribution by Toussie's father and wanted to avoid creating an appearance of impropriety.

    In an earlier high-profile official act of forgiveness, Bush saved Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, from serving prison time in the case of the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstructing justice. Bush could still grant him a full pardon, although Libby has not applied for one.

    Bush's batches of pardons, however, have never included any well-known convicts like junk bond dealer Michael Milken, who sought a pardon on securities fraud charges, or two politicians convicted of public corruption — former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards — who wanted Bush to shorten their prison terms.

    Clinton issued a total of 457 in eight years in office. Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, issued 77 in four years. Reagan issued 406 in eight years, and President Carter issued 563 in four years. Since World War II, the largest number of pardons and commutations — 2,031 — came from President Truman, who served 82 days short of eight years.
  17. StbbrnMedic

    StbbrnMedic fraggle tamer

    Thank God.
    It's about time. Their families must be SO relieved!!
  18. fra444

    fra444 MassCops Member

  19. kwflatbed

    kwflatbed MassCops Angel Staff Member

    It's about time,but why is it going to take two months to release them ??
  20. Johnny Law

    Johnny Law Nemo me impune lacessit Staff Member

    I'm glad they are getting out of prison, but it still sucks they have their convictions.
  21. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    not a pardon , but at least their out of prison
  22. BrickCop

    BrickCop Subscribing Member

    It should have happened a day after they were convicted but I'll take it.
  23. SgtAndySipowicz

    SgtAndySipowicz Supporting Member

    Good for them and their families. Even though the convictions stand, I wonder if a law enforcement agency will offer them jobs? Meanwhile, hasn't the drug dealer been arrested again trafficking drugs over the border into the US?
  24. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    They had their sentences commuted, they weren't pardoned, so their felony convictions stand. Not the best outcome, but better than staying in prison.
  25. CJIS

    CJIS MassCops Member

    They should have never had to go to jail in the first place.

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