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I was in PA this past week, and saw 2 separate sets of Flaggers. One set had a male/female combo and the other was 2 males. M/F were about 100' apart, under an overpass being worked on by PennDot. They had a sign with "stop/slow" on each side. I asked what the wage was. Will not post it here, but pm for the answer.
Female later was sitting on the guardrail, and holding the sign. Other set was 2 males. This also was a PennDot site. Both had long hair, raggy looking and not very professional at all. Plus, no teeth. Have pics of both setups.
Why is it such a secret POST IT and the pictures.
 

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I just did not want the "pro-flaggers" to think this was what was going to happen here. It was considerably less than what is quoted as the prevailing wage here. I did not pick up the pictures yet from CVS. Will get them today (sorry, only a disposable camera in the truck at the time.)
Sorry, $12.39/hr and no bennies.
 

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I just did not want the "pro-flaggers" to think this was what was going to happen here. It was considerably less than what is quoted as the prevailing wage here. I did not pick up the pictures yet from CVS. Will get them today (sorry, only a disposable camera in the truck at the time.)
Sorry, $12.39/hr and no bennies.
I know you graduated the SPA in 1930 but feel free to join us in the digital era. :razz:

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Why is it such a secret POST IT and the pictures.
Switch to decaf and relax, jesus christ.
 

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where is the MPA on this issue? why aren't they asking for representation from every police department to attend the public hearing on Sept 15? Would be a nice sign of support. This is an issue the MPA should be addressing.
*at least i got my 3 stickers this year
 

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Thursday, September 4, 2008 Worcester T&G

Detail officer aids in 2 arrests

Lieutenant: 'This shows value of using police'


LUNENBURG-
A police officer working a paid construction detail noticed two allegedly drunken drivers Tuesday, incidents that Lt. James P. Marino said prove the worth of having experienced officers at roadside projects.

Officer Robert DiConza was on a detail on Massachusetts Avenue about 12:20 p.m. Tuesday when he saw a car driven by Christopher R. Decot, 50, of 424 Sunnyhill Road. Officer DiConza recognized the driver, and a call to dispatch confirmed Mr. Decot's license had been revoked, according to court records. He has seven prior arrests for driving with a suspended license, police said.

Minutes after Officer DiConza noticed him driving, police received a 911 call from Mr. Decot's home in which the caller said Mr. Decot was intoxicated. Police arrested him at his home and he was charged with driving with a suspended license and driving under the influence of alcohol.

Mr. Decot is due back in Fitchburg District Court Monday, where he has three other pending charges of driving with a suspended license.

Officer DiConza saw another allegedly drunken driver later Tuesday. Jaye A. Cushman, 53, of 17 Pleasant St., allegedly drove around the orange traffic cones set up to block Pleasant Street about 3:10 p.m. Tuesday, according to police reports.

Officer DiConza wrote in his report that he signaled for the driver to back up and she struck a mailbox with her vehicle. The driver was identified as Ms. Cashman, who police said failed several field sobriety tests. She consented to a portable breath test, police said, the results of which indicated her blood alcohol level at .22, more than twice the legal limit.

Ms. Cashman was arraigned yesterday morning and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, second offense. She is due back in court next month.

Gov. Deval L. Patrick is proposing using civilian flagmen at some construction sites, instead of the police details used now. Police unions have opposed the move, which they said would threaten public safety. Proponents of the change say it will save millions in taxpayer dollars.

Lt. Marino said incidents such as the arrests Tuesday showed the value of an experienced police officer at the sites.
 

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Here's another. It happens all the time.

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A bold burglar couldn't stop bragging to police that he ransacked a Dana Street home and carted away his loot - including electronics and packs of hot dogs - in the victim's station wagon while she slept.
Police said 19-year-old Kai Kruger - who was arrested last Thursday morning for the break-in heist - is a suspect in a rash of recent housebreaks in the East Cambridge and mid-Cambridge, according to police reports.
Kruger allegedly robbed the 39-year-old Dana Street woman's house Aug. 28, sometime between 3:30 a.m. and 7 a.m., while the victim slept upstairs.
The victim told police she came down to the first floor of her house for a glass of water at 3:30 a.m. and everything appeared normal, but when she went downstairs again at 7 a.m. after showering, she found the kitchen back door open and her valuables stolen, including her car.
The victim told police the burglar had ransacked the first floor and basement of her home, checking all the cabinets and drawers and leaving them ajar before stealing a Mac Air laptop computer, a wallet, a Sony video camera, a checkbook, and four sets of keys to the victim's office, home and two cars, according to police reports.
Police said Kruger allegedly also tried to steal a 46-inch flat panel television mounted to the wall in the basement of the Dana Street home. The television was removed from its mount but left on an ottoman with the cords still attached, according to police reports.
Then, Kruger allegedly swiped the keys to the victim's green 1997 Volvo 850 station wagon from the front entranceway and drove off with the other stolen loot, including two packages of Hebrew National beef franks that police later found on the front seat of the stolen car.
Later that day at about 10:30 a.m., Police Officer Chris Samuel was working a police detail when he noticed the stolen Volvo parked in front of 76 Grozier Road; the front left tire was torn completely off its rim, according to police reports.
Suspecting that Kruger could be involved in the Dana Street break-in, Sgt. Antonio Ayala went to Kruger's house nearby at 69 Grozier Road. When Ayala looked over the fence, he allegedly spotted Kruger sorting through numerous items, including the stolen Whole Food canvas shopping bag, on the back porch.
In the Dana Street break-in, the burglar had dumped the contents of a canvas Whole Foods shopping bag on a sofa chair in the basement and had presumably taken the bag to carry away other stolen goods from the home, according to police reports.
Police officers arrested Kruger and read him his Miranda rights, but Kruger allegedly admitted he broke into the Dana Street home through an open back door and ransacked the apartment as he stole items from the house.
A tow truck driver in charge of bringing back the stolen Volvo said Kruger told him he took the hot dogs from the victim's refrigerator and planned to have a cookout, according to police reports.
Police read Kruger his Miranda rights again at the police station, but Kruger couldn't stop talking about his alleged crimes, according to police reports. On the way to his holding cell at the police station, Kruger spotted the bike found outside the Dana Street home and told police he stole it, but did not remember where he stole it because he was drunk at the time.
Earlier in the day, police seized a 15-speed bicycle from in front of the burglarized Dana Street house, suspecting that it belonged to the person who broke into the house, according to police reports.
Kruger faces charges of unarmed burglary, possession of a Class B drug, larceny over $250, larceny of a motor vehicle, receiving stolen property over $250 and driving with a suspended license.
A Grozier Road resident told police Kruger pulled up to 76 Grozier Road in the stolen green Volvo station wagon at about 5:30 a.m. Aug. 28, fell asleep in the car and then got out of the car and crossed the street to 65 Grozier Road a short time later.
Police also said Kruger's driver's license was suspended in January after he was found guilty for possession of a Class D drug in Littleton, according to reports.
Kruger was also charged with possession of a Class B drug after a detective allegedly found a small amount of cocaine during a search of Kruger's home.
 

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Has anyone seen this yet (attached file, that is...)?
Pg 15: The one week "snap shot" projected police detail costs at $28.5M annually. They failed to mention that the one week snap shot was done in July, traditionally the busiest road construction month of the year. Use January instead and you'll probablly be at 1/10th the amount of work being done.

They cite the Beacon Hill report (no friend of LE) in many studies. But the Beacon Hill report was also the one that said Massachusetts has the unsafest roads in the country, the same week when the USDOT study showed we have the lowest fatality rate in the country.

I don't know where the BH study got their info from, or if the author got in a dinger on his way to work one day, but I'd take info from the USDOT any day over some "study" done by washed-out politicos with agendas.
 

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Has anyone seen this yet (attached file, that is...)?
Talk about nickel and dimming

The report failed to mention some key things:
1. The report failed to adequacy describe or define how much the overhead charge will be "flag person" company. i.e. additional charge over and above the prevailing wage for the worker.
2. It failed to mention that many towns in cities in the commonwealth also attach an administrative charge to details thus generating revenue for the municipality.
3. It did not make clear that 65%+ of all road jobs worked are paid for by the company and not the taxpayer.
 

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The report did not answer the other magical question of who these floggers are going to work for? Will they be state employees or wil they be laboroer for the contrator?

If they are state workers at those wages, sign me up. If they are contractor employees, you can ad 25-40% on top of those wages for bennies the Laborers Union has for their people (health, annuity, pension, etc).
Of course they wouldn't mention those details...it will go to show the public that these studies are made up of lies and false information. Why let the facts get in the way of their arguments...they can take all the statistics they want, but only one fact remains...statistics lie and liars use statistics!!!

As someone said before, they have an ulterior motive for all of this...nothing like starting your own company or having a relative added to the payroll
 

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So I have been thinking about this flagman issue and though I think its rediculous and only going into effect for political reasons here are my new thoughts.

If a flagman will be paid approximately $38.00 an hour I think I have found a new partime job. Being a police officer I am regulated to working no more than 16.5 hours in a 24 hour period. BUT, if I get hired off duty as a flagman I can work many more hours than 16.5 and not have to respond to anything, just spin a stop sign every few minutes.

Just think how tired I will be on my regular shift by working all those hours.....The politicians and the public are so uninformed.

So as always if this bill goes into effect I will look on the bright side. I may take a few dollars off my hourly rate but hell just think of all the hours I can work without my department regulating me.

Just a thought.
 
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