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I can't figure out how these skinnys can stop a supertanker with those shitbox motorboats they ride around in. We should be blowing them out of the international waters.

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Well, the US Navy cut its teeth on anti-piracy operations (Barbary Coast), there's every reason to believe we'll be sinking some more pirate scum in the near future.

As far as the seized ship goes, I got two words for you: NAVY SEALS.

I can't figure out how these skinnys can stop a supertanker with those shitbox motorboats they ride around in. We should be blowing them out of the international waters.
I also wish someone could explain that one to me; it's like a Boston Whaler trying to stop the Queen Elizabeth 2.

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I also wish someone could explain that one to me; it's like a Boston Whaler trying to stop the Queen Elizabeth 2.
i was thinking the same thing and heard a semi plausible explanation on the radio. According to the reporter, the pirates will circle a tanker on speedboats and threaten to shoot RPGs at it or use a bomb to blow it up. THe captain, not wanting to put his ship and unarmed crew at risk, heeds their threats and allow them to board. Now whether an RPG can punch the double hull of a tanker and ignite the oil is up for debate.

i was thinking the same thing and heard a semi plausible explanation on the radio. According to the reporter, the pirates will circle a tanker on speedboats and threaten to shoot RPGs at it or use a bomb to blow it up. THe captain, not wanting to put his ship and unarmed crew at risk, heeds their threats and allow them to board. Now whether an RPG can punch the double hull of a tanker and ignite the oil is up for debate.
That would be taken care of with a couple of these;


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Indian Navy sinks pirate mothership during bold stand-off in Gulf of Aden

An Indian navy warship has sunk a Somali pirate "mother ship" in the Gulf of Aden, the world's most treacherous waterway, after the renegades threatened to attack the frigate.
The clash happened as pirates claimed to begin negotiations over a ransom for the Saudi super-tanker that was seized nearby on Saturday with two Britons aboard. The Sirius Star, which is carrying at least $100 million worth of oil, is the biggest ship ever to be hijacked.
INS Tabar, an Indian frigate dispatched last month to the area to protect the country's merchant fleet, sighted the pirate vessel late on Tuesday. Indian officers said they spotted pirates moving on the deck with rocket propelled grenade launchers and automatic weapons.
"On repeated calls, the vessel's threatening response was that she would blow up the naval warship," the Indian Navy said in a statement.
"INS Tabar retaliated in self defence and opened fire on the mother vessel.
"As a result of the firing by INS Tabar, fire broke out on the vessel and explosions were heard, possibly due to exploding ammunition that was stored on the vessel."
"From what we see in photographs the pirate vessel is completely destroyed," a senior officer said. Two speedboats were seen fleeing the sinking ship.
Since the Sirius Star was captured at least three other ships - one Greek, one Thai and one from Hong Kong - have been seized by Somali pirates.
Today, Al-Jazeera, the Arabic television network, broadcast an audio tape that it said was one of the pirates making a ransom demand for the return of the Sirius Star.
"Negotiators are located on board the ship and on land. Once they have agreed on the ransom, it will be taken in cash to the oil tanker," said the man identified as Farah Abd Jameh. He did not indicate the amount to be paid.
"We assure the safety of the ship that carries the ransom. We will mechanically count the money and we have machines that can detect fake money," he said.
Vela International, the owners of the ship, declined to comment on the report. Seized in the Indian Ocean about 500 miles (800 kilometres) off the coast of Kenya, the Sirius Star is now thought to be anchored at the Somali pirate lair of Harardhere.
The super-tanker has a 25-strong crew -- 19 from the Philippines, two from Britain, two from Poland, one Croatian and one Saudi.
The Gulf of Aden controls access to the Suez Canal, which allows ships to go between Europe to Asia without having to take the longer and more expensive route around the southern tip of Africa. It is a crucially important route for oil tankers. The UN has said that piracy in the area is now out of control.
The German navy said yesterday that one of its frigates had foiled attacks on two ships in the Gulf of Aden, using a helicopter to chase off pirates who fled in their speedboats.
For the pirates who carry out the attacks, the allure is that of riches, the likes of which would be impossible to attain in their poverty-wracked homeland.
In September, Somali hijackers released a Japanese ship and its 21-member crew after a $2 million ransom was paid three months after its capture.
A week ago, pirates caught redhanded after trying to hijack a cargo ship off Somalia made the mistake of firing on two Royal Navy assault craft packed with commandos armed with machineguns and SA80 rifles.
Two Somali pirates in a Yemeni-registered fishing dhow were killed. A third pirate, believed to be a Yemeni, suffered injuries and subsequently died.


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Saudi Arabia to Join NATO Naval Mission; Pirates Boost Defenses

By Caroline Alexander and Marianne Stigset

(Bloomberg) -- Saudi Arabia said it will join a fleet of NATO warships on an anti-piracy mission, as hijackers bolstered defenses around an oil-laden Saudi tanker captured off the East African coast.
The kingdom will contribute ``naval assets to help in pursuing piracy in the region, and this is the only way this can be dealt with,'' Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal told reporters in Oslo today after meeting with his Norwegian counterpart, Jonas Gahr Stoere. ``Negotiations and ransoms only encourage piracy and are not a solution.''
Al-Faisal didn't provide details of the Saudi contribution to the forces in the Gulf of Aden, flanked by Somalia and Yemen and leading to the Suez Canal, where at least 91 merchant vessels have been attacked since January. The Saudi ship is being held for a ransom of $25 million.
In Harardhare, a town in Somalia's semi-autonomous Puntland region close to where the ship is anchored, pirates are bringing in extra fighters to strengthen security, Bile Mohamoud Qabowsade, senior adviser to Puntland President Adde Muse, said in an interview yesterday.
The Sirius Star, which belongs to Saudi Arabia's state-owned shipping line, Vela International Marine Ltd., along with its crew of 25 was seized on Nov. 15 about 420 nautical miles (833 kilometers) off Somalia. It is carrying more than 2 million barrels of crude valued at about $110 million. The ship itself is worth about $148 million new.
The Saudi foreign minister confirmed two days ago that Vela was in talks with the pirates; Vela has declined to comment. A man who identified himself as Abdi Salan, a member of the hijacking gang, said in a telephone interview yesterday that the ship's owners must pay up ``soon.'' He didn't say what would happen if they didn't.
Military Role
Predicting the outcome of the negotiations, or how much the pirates may receive in the end, is difficult, said Andreas Sohmen-Pao, chief executive officer of BW Shipping Managers Pte, one of the world's largest shipping operators.
``These negotiations tend to take place in private,'' he said today in an interview with Bloomberg Television. ``This is an opening negotiation and no one knows where it will end up.''
The only long-term solution is for navies to step up their efforts to protect merchant ships, Sohmen-Pao said.
``Merchant ships are not designed or equipped to fend off pirates,'' he said. And the alternative of taking the longer route around South Africa's Cape of Good Hope ``is complicated.''
The ransom may be the highest sum demanded by pirates from war-torn Somalia, which hasn't had an effective government since the 1991 fall of the Siad Barre regime. They have asked for an average of $1 million per ship this year, according to the London-based research organization Chatham House.
NATO Warships
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization has four warships off Somalia. India, Malaysia and Russia have sent warships, and a European Union fleet is expected to reach the zone next month. The U.S. coalition in Afghanistan has a task force there, bringing the total of warships in the area to 15, according to French military spokesman Christophe Prazuck. The area is almost twice the size of Alaska.
The seizure of the oil tanker may push Western navies to step up their actions against hijackers, who find potential targets with Global Positioning System navigational aids and satellite phones and use captured fishing trawlers to launch attacks out at sea, according to an October report by Chatham House.
NATO is considering changes to its operations in the area, even if it isn't immediately planning to send more ships, Admiral Giampaolo Di Paola, chairman of the alliance's military committee, said at a news conference in Brussels this week.
German Parliamentary Vote
Germany's parliament will vote this month or next on whether to join the EU fleet and Russia is likely to add to its one ship in the area, the Neustrashimy, or Intrepid, a navy spokesman said.
The navies of India, Russia, France, Britain and Germany have all battled pirate vessels in the past 12 days alone.
Military action is ``the only solution,'' Jens Martin Jensen, interim chief executive officer of Frontline Ltd.'s management unit, the world's biggest owner of supertankers, said in a telephone interview. He called for navies to be given a clearer mandate ``of what they can do and what they can't.''
Jean Ping, chairman of the African Union Commission, said yesterday that piracy off the coast of Somalia indicated a further deterioration in the country's political situation.
UN Force
He called in an e-mailed statement for ``more sustained and coordinated efforts by the international community to support the peace efforts in Somalia, including the early deployment of United Nations peacekeeping forces.''
The Sirius Star's crew includes citizens of Croatia, the U.K., the Philippines, Poland and Saudi Arabia. Its hijacking, from boarding to the pirates' taking control, took just 16 minutes, Agence France-Presse said yesterday, citing U.K. reports.
The military reports said the tanker was too large and too laden to outmaneuver pirate speedboats, and was poorly defended, according to AFP.
It was the most brazen assault yet in the region, as it was the largest vessel seized worldwide and was the farthest from the coast when attacked.


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Somali pirates hijack ship, British guards escape

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - Somali pirates hijacked a chemical tanker with dozens of Indian crew members Friday and a helicopter rescued three British security guards who had jumped into the sea, officials said.
A warship on patrol nearby sent helicopters to intervene in the attack, but they arrived after pirates had taken control of the Liberian-flagged ship, according to Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Malaysia.
The ship master had sent a distress call to the piracy reporting center, which relayed the alert to international forces policing Somali waters, Choong said. No details about how the pirates attacked or the condition of the crew were available immediately.
Choong said the ship was being operated out of Singapore.
Still on board were 25 Indian and two Bangladeshi crew members, said diplomats who could not be named due to restrictions on speaking to the media. The British security guards escaped by jumping into the water, said a news release issued by their company, Anti-Piracy Maritime Security Solutions.
The company said it was aware of the incident on the chemical tanker it identified as M/V BISCAGLIA.
"We have been informed by coalition military authorities that three of our unarmed security staff were rescued from the water by a coalition helicopter and are currently on board a coalition warship in the Gulf of Aden," the company statement said.
German Defense Ministry spokesman Thomas Raabe confirmed that a naval helicopter lifted three people out of the water in the Gulf of Aden at about 4 a.m. Friday morning and deposited them on a French ship.
Germany and France have ships in the area as part of a NATO fleet which, along with warships from Denmark, India, Malaysia, Russia and the U.S., have started patrolling the vast maritime corridor. They escort some merchant ships and respond to distress calls.
The ship hijacked Friday was the 97th vessel to be attacked this year off Somalia, where an Islamic insurgency and lack of effective government have contributed to an increase in pirate attacks in the Gulf of Aden.
Ships "must continue to maintain a 24-hour vigil and radar watch so they can take early measures to escape pirates. Even though there are patrols, the warships cannot be everywhere at the same time," Choong said.
Pirates have become increasingly brazen in the Gulf, a major international shipping lane through which about 20 tankers sail daily.
Forty ships have been hijacked this year, including a Saudi supertanker loaded with $100 million worth of crude oil Nov. 15.
Pirates demanding multimillion-dollar ransoms hold 15 ships and nearly 300 crew, Choong said.
Somalia, an impoverished nation in the Horn of Africa, has not had a functioning government since 1991.
--- Associated Press Writer Sean Yoong contributed to this report from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

FACTBOX-Ships held by Somali pirates

Nov 28 (Reuters) - Somali pirates have released the Greek MV Centauri, captured more than two months ago, a Kenyan maritime official said on Friday.
The Centauri had a crew of 26 Filipinos and was due to discharge 17,000 tonnes of bulk salt in Mombasa in Kenya when it was hijacked in mid-September off Somalia.
Below are some of the ships believed still to be held:

CAPT. STEPHANOS: Seized Sept. 21. The freighter was flying the Bahamas flag. It was carrying a cargo of coal and has 17 Filipinos, one Chinese and a Ukrainian aboard.
FAINA: Seized Sept. 24. The ship was carrying 33 T-72 tanks, grenade launchers and ammunition destined for Kenya's Mombasa port. Pirates have demanded $20 million in ransom.
AFRICAN SANDERLING: Seized Oct. 15. The Panama-flagged, Japanese-operated, and Korea-owned bulk carrier has 21 Filipino crew aboard.
STOLT STRENGTH: Seized Nov. 10. The chemical tanker with 23 Filipino crew aboard was hijacked by pirates in the Gulf of Aden. It was carrying 23,818 tonnes of oil products.
THE KARAGOL: Seized Nov. 12. The Turkish ship with 14 crew was hijacked off Yemen. It was transporting more than 4,000 tonnes of chemicals to the port of Bombay.
TIANYU 8: Seized Nov. 13/14. The Chinese fishing boat was reported seized off Kenya. The crew included 15 Chinese, one Taiwanese, one Japanese, three Filipinos and four Vietnamese.
CHEMSTAR VENUS: Seized Nov. 15. The combined chemical and oil tanker was travelling from Dumai, Indonesia to the Ukraine. It had 18 Filipino and five South Korean crew.
SIRIUS STAR: Seized Nov. 15. The Saudi supertanker, the biggest ship ever hijacked, held as much as 2 million barrels of oil. Captured off east Africa, it had 25 crew from Croatia, Britain, the Philippines, Poland and Saudi Arabia.
THE DELIGHT: Seized Nov. 18. The Hong Kong-flagged ship with 25 crew aboard is loaded with 36,000 tonnes of wheat bound for Iran. It was captured off the coast of Yemen.
ADINA: Seized last week. The Adina is a Yemeni-operated bulk carrier and carried seven crew, including three Somalis, two Yemenis and two Panamanians.
BISCAGLIA: Seized on Nov. 28. The Biscaglia is a Liberian-flagged chemical tanker with 30 crew on board, 25 Indians, three Britons and two Bangladeshis.

Sources: Reuters/International Maritime Bureau Piracy Reporting Centre/Lloyds List/

Germany to Deploy Up to 1,400 to Fight Pirates

The uproar over pirates off the Gulf of Aden has led the German government to contribute a naval frigate to an EU mission along the Somali coast. More soldiers may be on the way. In the meantime German helicopters have defended a pair of merchant ships from pirate speedboats.

As European enthusiasm for the American-led "War on Terror" continues to wane, Europe is assembling a substantial military force to send to the Gulf of Aden. Call it the "War on Piracy" -- and Germany, this time, has not been shy.
Although the German Defense Ministry refuses to confirm the number, a report on Tuesday in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung says that the government is considering deploying up to 1400 troops to combat Somali piracy. By way of comparison, Berlin currently contributes about 3,500 troops to the war in Afghanistan.


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The government has already announced its intention to send a frigate to region as part of the EU mission "Operation Atalanta," which is set to deploy sometime in mid-December. First, however, Germany's parliament may have to expand the country's legal mandate for the use of force, which some believe does not currently allow for an aggressive anti-pirate mission.
In addition to the 500 sailors who would staff the frigate, the government may also send troops to serve as security forces on German trade vessels.
According to the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program, Somali pirates hijacked yet another ship over the weekend, this time a Yemeni freighter called the Amani.
And on Sunday afternoon, the German navy received emergency calls from a pair of German merchant ships indicating they were being attacked by pirates in speedboats. In response, the German frigate Mecklenberg-Vorpommern sent naval helicopters to scene, after which the pirates reportedly fled.
Somali pirates are thought to be in possession of a dozen ships and over two hundred captured sailors. Among the captured vessels is a Saudi Arabian tanker called the Sirius Star, which the pirates are trying to ransom to the tune of $15 million (€11.6 million). This represents a discount from their original demand of $25 million.
cpg -- with wire reports,1518,592647,00.html

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Pirates attack cruise ship off Somali coast

Shots were fired after the luxury cruise ship Oceania Nautica was chased by pirates in the Gulf of Aden

By Oliver Smith
Last Updated: 3:13PM GMT 01 Dec 2008
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The Oceania Nautica has outrun pirates off the coast of Somalia

A luxury cruise ship carrying dozens of British passengers has been attacked by pirates in the Gulf of Aden, off the coast of Somalia, en route to Oman.
The Oceania Nautica was fired at during its 32-day voyage from Rome to Singapore.
The ship - carrying 690 passengers and 386 crew - was approached yesterday by two small skiffs which fired several shots.
No one on board was hurt and Nautica's captain Jurica Brajcic was able to take evasive action and outrun the two boats.
"One of the skiffs did manage to close the range to 300 yards and fired eight rifle shots in the direction of the vessel before trailing off," said a statement by Oceania. "No one aboard Nautica was harmed and no damage was sustained."
29 Britons are on board the cruise ship, which is due to arrive in Oman today. Passengers paid an average of £15,000 for the cruise.
Last week's capture of the 330-metre Sirius Star, containing two million barrels of oil, was the largest of nearly 100 vessels to be attacked off the coast of Somalia this year.
However, the interception of a cruise ship is far less common. The Gulf of Aden is regularly crossed by cruise ships and the waters are patrolled by anti-piracy forces.
The last such incident involving a cruise ship occurred in November 2005 when the liner Seabourn Spirit was fired upon with automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades, injuring one crew member.
A spokeswoman for the Passenger Shipping Association - which represents Oceania Cruises - described the incident as a rarity, and maintained that cruising was a safe way to travel.
"Safety is of utmost importance to all cruise companies," she said.
"Each ship must follow security standards and procedures to ensure the well-being of passengers and staff, and they liase with national security and intelligence agencies."
The size of cruise ships means that it can be difficult to board them from smaller vessels. When threatened, some liners possess long-range acoustic devices (LRAD), which emit high frequency noise, to deter potential attackers.

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No way to stop us, pirate leader says

Story Highlights

Piracy a life or death choice, Somali pirate says

As foreign trawlers took catch, Somali fishermen turned to piracy, leader says

Pirates gain more than $150 million in ransom in past year, official says

Governments unable to stop pirates, leader says

From David McKenzie

NAIROBI, Kenya (CNN) -- Somalis are so desperate to survive that attacks on merchant shipping in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean will not stop, a pirate leader promises.

A French warship keeps guard over commerical vessels in the Gulf of Aden last week.

"The pirates are living between life and death," said the pirate leader, identified by only one name, Boyah. "Who can stop them? Americans and British all put together cannot do anything."
The interview with the pirate was conducted in late August by journalists employed by the Somali news organization Garowe. The complete interview was provided to CNN last week and provides a glimpse of why piracy has been so hard to control in the region.
Recorded on grainy video, the interview took place in the Somali port city of Eyl, now a center of pirate operations. Eyl is on the east coast of Somalia in the autonomous territory of Puntland. It is a largely lawless zone, considered extremely dangerous for Westerners to enter.
The Puntland government said two unidentified Western journalists were taken hostage Wednesday as they attempted to report on pirate activity.
Boyah said that the piracy began because traditional coastal fishing became difficult after foreign fishing trawlers depleted local fish stocks. Traditional fishermen started attacking the trawlers until the trawler crews fought back with heavy weapons. The fishermen then turned to softer targets.

Watch why fishermen turned to piracy »

"We went into the deep ocean and hijacked the unarmed cargo ships," Boyah said.
"For the past three years, we have not operated near the Somali coast. We have operated at least 80 miles [out], in international waters."
When merchant shipping started avoiding the Somali coast, Boyah said, "we went to ships traveling other routes."
Over the past year, the number of pirate attacks has increased dramatically. The International Maritime Bureau cites more than 90 pirate attacks off East Africa so far in 2008. When attacks are successful, the hijacked ships are taken to Somali waters, where the ships and crew are held until a ransom is paid.

See how pirate attacks have increased »

Ships recently captured include a massive Saudi supertanker laden with crude oil valued at more than $100 million and a freighter carrying Russian-built tanks.
The hijackings have been profitable. Kenya's foreign minister, Moses Wetangula, estimates the pirates have been paid more than $150 million during the past year. One pirate gang wants $2 million dollars to release a Yemeni freighter and crew seized last week.
Facing increasing disruptions through one of the busiest sea lanes in the world, several countries have sent warships to patrol the area. There have been reports of skirmishes between pirates and naval forces, but the military presence does not concern pirate leader Boyah. He boasts the pirates literally sail in a vast ocean beneath the radar of the warships.

Watch how piracy thrives off Somalia »

"No ship has the capability to see everything," he said. "A ship can see 80 miles or so [on radar]. It cannot see us at all. No one can do anything about it."
Boyah said it is unlikely the Puntland regional government would ever crack down on piracy because government officials are involved in financing the piracy and collect a cut of the ransoms.
"They motivate us. It's their money and their weapons," Boyah said. "Thirty percent belongs to them."
The Puntland foreign minister, Ali Abdi Aware, denied government involvement with the pirates, including taking bribes. The minister cited the arrest of six pirates earlier this year as evidence it is acting to stop piracy.
Pirate Boyah said he is unimpressed with the arrests by Puntland authorities.
"The pirates are at sea and Puntland does not approach them. The pirates are on land and Puntland does not approach them," Boyah said. "They arrest some small people and tell the world that they captured pirates, but they are liars."
While Boyah may have been outspoken about the government's ineffectiveness, he did not allow interviewers to show his face, an indication that even in this lawless country, pirates still have some fear.

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My grandfather served in the US Navy and the Merchant Marine in WWII thanks to President Reagen all Merchant Mariners were made veterans. Anyhow why can't they equip these ships with some M-2s or M-60s give the crew M-16 Rifles and .45s and call it a day?

Anyhow why can't they equip these ships with some M-2s or M-60s give the crew M-16 Rifles and .45s and call it a day?
Given the range of RPG's, I think an M-2 would be the minimum armament I would want on a merchant ship in a pirate-infested area. A rapid-fire 3-inch gun would be a better choice, IMO.

I still like the idea of an Iowa-class battleship main battery broadside; even if all the rounds missed, the look on the pirate's faces after nine 16-inch shells bracketed their Boston Whaler would be priceless. That's assuming the blast wave didn't kill them, or the wake of the shell's impact didn't swamp them. :cool:

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My grandfather served in the US Navy and the Merchant Marine in WWII thanks to President Reagen all Merchant Mariners were made veterans. Anyhow why can't they equip these ships with some M-2s or M-60s give the crew M-16 Rifles and .45s and call it a day?
Many maritime insurers refuse to cover vessels if they or the crew are armed. This is due to the mistaken belief that handing over your goods over to a thief is better than resisting them.

You're right, however, it would only take a minimal investment in weaponry, perhaps 4 M2 Brownings and some ammo to drive off these scum.

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This would fix the problem :)
If memory serves...

I like this better;

I believe the latest iteration of the Iowa class were equipped with those gats, fore and aft....

A win-win! Time to should turn the trick...:cool:

By the way...when did the Pirates leave Pittsburg? Is this their off-season job?
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