You're right, I forgot to add that I could find them using the command line also... However I used "AMCC" (unlike leaps, no space) and CERTR as usual. However, what I was told by CJIS support was that (as you said) no link in the folders and that the forms were not complete yet. He said this because if you look at the very top of the forms it says "DESTINATION" ... w/ two fields. One should say RMV the other (your three letter dept code). In this instance it had both fields with my dept. code. My point is... WHY implement a new system if you haven't even got all the forms in. I've just been telling my guys no certified copies. My fellow coworkers and I have created a list for once the forms are activated. This way we know they actually go through.