"Good points "
Thanks
"Here's my "putting it on the line"
"www.cqbarms.com "
I appreciate that, but without your full name and job title with a phone number and extension, I have no way to verify you are who you say you are. Not directed at you, but applies to everyone on this forum
"Myself or any number of my instructors, including three of our NRA Training Councelors will stand behind what we have offered here as advice. You take the class we stand behind the advice, a few of us have been to court and have testified as "experts" per various state requirement for "expert witnesess" "
My point exactly, someone wants the real answer, they take the class. You just provided the reader of this forum with the info to find the real accountable answer. Take the class at
www.cqbarms.com. Of course the instructors aren't going to do the jail time if they teach someone wrong, the person that broke the law will, so you can say they stand behind the advice or the class content, but it won't matter much to the judge if they are wrong, or the student misunderstood. It is still up to the individual to get all available info , make a decision and live with that decision on what they think the law says> A judge may agree or disagree. Legal precedents help in this matter, as does common sense and being conservative.
"Since there is also a LTC class that was approved by the State of MA, called the CQB Arms Personal Protection Course (although the website does not reflect it) anyone here (trainers here) will also stand behind that course information as well. "
Exactly, here's the advice someone was asking for, now if you want to stake your freedom on it, take the class.
"In the end there is the law as it it written, there is the law as it is enforced and, and there is the law as it is judged. Playing any one against the other is a risk that is NOT worth it in MA, not when it comes to guns.
You have to have BIG money and be willing to risk your freedom and "rights". "
I agree completely. Everyone in this country is told they have a right to their opinion, the problem arises when they think that because they have a right to have an opinion, they now think that opinion is important, even when contrary to established interpretation of the law.
"The right answer about drinking and carrying a gun, DON'T. It's such a fundamental rule of firearms. Lest we forget, it may not be in the "law" but it's a RULE of responsible firearms ownership. "
Absolutely, not always practical for a LEO though. Though as you said, it's not the law.
"Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.
Alcohol, as well as any other substance likely to impair normal mental or physical bodily functions, must not be used before or while handling or shooting guns."
Absolutely. You should include fatigue here too. fatigue can be a much bigger mental and motor impairment facilitator than all of the above. Again, not always practical for a LEO.
And yes people ask "what about asprin" what about "cough drops", the answer is to that" If you don't have common sense enough to figure that out, don't own guns.
I agree 100%. But it is a constitutional RIGHT that has nothing to do with common sense. Most places don't require a safety course. I took the safety course in MA, and to be honest it was just not indepth enough for someone wanting to carry a gun around. No breakdown and cleaning safety, no off range safety, no lethal encounter safety, no loading, unloading and tactical safety considerations and precautions, just a quick and dirty range safety course. No major muscle motor in stress environment discussion. No proper technique for practice discussion.Nothing like you get in a LEO safety course. But then again, what do you want for $50 and 30 minutes and 60 rounds.
(Note: this wasn't directed at you, just a comment in general)
Thanks for the above comment
The bottom line is that people are free to make decisions. The smarter people make informed conservative decisions, but everyone has to live with the consequences of those decisions.
I enjoyed the discussion, thanks.
Sorry for the big thread creep.
Mach