[Chief Wiggins]

In the near future my union will be involved in negotiations. During the past 6 months Officers/Sergeants have been forced/ordered in to work a patrol, supervisor shift. This has been a new occurrence for our department. and we currently have no contract language pertaining to this topic (only rules& regs).

I am looking for language/compensation that other departments utilize when an Officer/Sergeant is forced to stay or is ordered in. We are looking for language that pertains to OT shifts that cannot be filled and not for emergency circumstances, i.e. nature disasters.

Please PM me with any answer(s).

Thanks.

 

[bbelichick]

In the near future my union will be involved in negotiations. During the past 6 months Officers/Sergeants have been forced/ordered in to work a patrol, supervisor shift. This has been a new occurrence for our department. and we currently have no contract language pertaining to this topic (only rules& regs).

I am looking for language/compensation that other departments utilize when an Officer/Sergeant is forced to stay or is ordered in. We are looking for language that pertains to OT shifts that cannot be filled and not for emergency circumstances, i.e. nature disasters.

Please PM me with any answer(s).

Thanks.

Public answer, but usually there is a 4 hour minimum OT for a callback.

 

[Crvtte65]

I think he/she meant - Natural Disasters......n00b.

No, he wrote not natural disasters

 

[Chief Wiggins]

Sorry for the confusion. Basically what I mean is if a 12-8 OT shift becomes available, and no one wants it or everyone refuses. When this happens someone gets ordered in from home to work the shift starting with the most junior Officer. According to our present contract the ordered in Officer only gets 8hrs of OT, and no other compensation.

I am aware when this happens some other departments contract states the ordered Officer in receives the 8hrs OT along with 8 comp/accumulative hours.

I am looking for departments that have language relative to this.

Thanks.

 

[Johnny Law]

Because we couldn't agree on the wording, the Chief issued a policy change to the long held practice of junior man gets held, given your hypothetical scenario. He justified it under an emergency, due to all the vacancies we have.

Now, if someone gets held due to unsigned overtime or sick call out, junior man still gets held. He is then exempt from being held over for the next 4 days (96 hours) so basically you can only be held once in your 4 day rotation. You only get time and a half OT, or you can convert that into comp. time.

If two people call out sick, or the junior man was held within 96 hours, it goes up to the next junior man and so forth like that. So it is possible to be senior man on shift and be held (which is bullshit if you ask me), if enough people call in sick per work week.

This does not preclude a junior man from voluntarily taking any OT, but then they wouldn't be exempt from being held over for the next 4 days.

Hope this helps, if you can shape your agreement to be the most advantageous for you and have that added to your contract, I would do that before you get something shoved down your throats like we did.

 

[7MPOC]

In the near future my union will be involved in negotiations. During the past 6 months Officers/Sergeants have been forced/ordered in to work a patrol, supervisor shift. This has been a new occurrence for our department. and we currently have no contract language pertaining to this topic (only rules& regs).

I am looking for language/compensation that other departments utilize when an Officer/Sergeant is forced to stay or is ordered in. We are looking for language that pertains to OT shifts that cannot be filled and not for emergency circumstances, i.e. nature disasters.

Please PM me with any answer(s).

Thanks.

Check your pm's

 

[chief801]

Everywhere I worked had an order in rotation. Once you got ordered in you went to the bottom of the list. No extra pay, just overtime. If it was a last minute thing and someone from the current shift had to stay, the one who was highest on the list took the hit and was moved to the bottom of the list.

 

[GARDA]

Sorry for the confusion. Basically what I mean is if a 12-8 OT shift becomes available, and no one wants it or everyone refuses. When this happens someone gets ordered in from home to work the shift starting with the most junior Officer. According to our present contract the ordered in Officer only gets 8hrs of OT, and no other compensation.

I am aware when this happens some other departments contract states the ordered Officer in receives the 8hrs OT along with 8 comp/accumulative hours.

I am looking for departments that have language relative to this.

Thanks.

Until your department does get such additional OT+comp/hour language in its contract... God Bless "Caller ID"!!! All of those unwanted, off-duty, ordered shifts forcing you in to work from your home are a thing of the past. That is unless of course you're getting "on-call" pay, it is a true emergency/disaster, or you need the money :santa:, XMAS is coming!!!

 

[SinePari]

Ju$t call $inePari to fill your open $hift$...wherever you are. You know, mutual aid for public safety and all...

 

[Irish Wampanoag]

In my department the only shift you can be force on is the following shift. You work 3-11 and someone calls in sick for 11-7 the junior guy/gal get stuck. We make a list junior to senior so everyone is subject to the force using the date as a marker. The problem with this is the weekend guys will probably be subjected to more forces in numbers because most people will bang out or use personal time on friday, saturday, sunday, and maybe Monday mornings. This has however worked out because it is much better than be force from home.

 

[Chief Wiggins]

I appreciate all the responses, the issue of being forced has never really been an issue until recently due to Officer shortage. All the shifts have been on the weekend 12-8 shift. We have started a rotation list starting from the bottom and working its way up.

Since the rotation has been in place all call's placed have mysteriously gone to voice mail . I guess the next step is stopping by their house.

 

[Guest]

Junior person gets forced.

When you work in the patrol division, seniority is about the only thing you have; my first summer I got forced to work at least a half-dozen times (in addition to volunteering for many OT shifts).

I guess the next step is stopping by their house.

Unless you have a search warrant, good luck.

 

[Johnny Law]

up.

Since the rotation has been in place all call's placed have mysteriously gone to voice mail . I guess the next step is stopping by their house.

Ahhhh, this is exactly why I have a 1/5th of Jack Daniels sitting in a cabinet, waiting like a fire extinguisher for the "emergency".

"Sorry LT., can't work, I've been drinking today"

 

[csauce777]

We simply let the Sheriffs cover the town when we are short inch:

(kidding)

 

[Guest]

We simply let the Sheriffs cover the town when we are short inch:

(kidding)

You just temporarily did more for erectile dysfunction in certain places than a truckload of Viagra or Cialis.

 

[mpd61]

In my department the only shift you can be force on is the following shift. You work 3-11 and someone calls in sick for 11-7 the junior guy/gal get stuck. We make a list junior to senior so everyone is subject to the force using the date as a marker.

Unless Sgt. A tells the chief "i'm going home????
LMFAO!!!!!!!!

 

[SinePari]

I appreciate all the responses, the issue of being forced has never really been an issue until recently due to Officer shortage. All the shifts have been on the weekend 12-8 shift. We have started a rotation list starting from the bottom and working its way up.

Since the rotation has been in place all call's placed have mysteriously gone to voice mail . I guess the next step is stopping by their house.

It's not the National Guard and you can't force people into work with the stroke of a pen, so it sounds like you're setting the stage for hiring more officers...which, I assume, is what you're looking for.

 

[Chief Wiggins]

Who isn't? The department has decreased since 2002, it would be nice to get more bodies, and force people less. We had 34 in 2000, and now at 27 (including Chief and XO), which is roughly a 21% decrease, considerable for department.

Like my first post, my union is due to negotiate a new contract in January. This is one of the topics that was brought up at the union meeting, and the body is looking for any language other departments might have.

Again I appreciate all the PM's people have sent me.
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[SinePari]

I'm no admin guy but if you show the OT and forced shifts over the last few years, it would be simple to justify the need for new hires.

 

[chief801]

I'm no admin guy but if you show the OT and forced shifts over the last few years, it would be simple to justify the need for new hires.

Don't forget to add in the costs for benefits...that is usually what kills the idea. It is not as simple as hire one guy for $50,000 and he'll absorb 210 shifts a year to eliminate overtime. Add another $20,000, so you are spending $70,000 to save $50,000.