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you are doing a fixed radar post on a busy road vehicle occupied 1 time by a twenty year old female doing 52 in a 40. you stop her run her record clean driving history never queried by any other department. do you site her for full amount give her written warning or give her a verbal warning.
 

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Depends, attitude of the operator can be a factor, but a v/w or a w/w. Maybe a cite if I feel like writing one and definatley a cite if its a speed shift.
 

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No driver history and a good/positive attitude is generally a verbal or written warning in most cases providing the offense is not unreasonable. Honesty goes a long way with me in terms of my discretion. Of course if the driver is argumentative, wants to argue the merits of the ticket roadside, lie, or rude its a gig.

One lie that I find most annoying is when asking if the person has ever received a citation. I cannot believe people that think we don't have access to their driving record.

Officer: "Have you ever received a citation before or been stopped?"
Driver: "No, this is the first time, I have NEVER got a ticket"
Dispatcher: "The operator has 5 pages on their driver history"
Officer: :roll:
 

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Driver history or attitude should have no bearing on whether or not you cite! You are citing the violation. If the violation is serious in your mind, write it. If not, give a warning. Our job isn't "screw the jackass", playing that game will eventually get you in the shit. Stay focussed on your mission. If you are deriving some sort of pleasure or satisfaction from giving a ticket you are personalizing the job. Once you start taking things in this job personally you are headed for problems. We want the respect as a profession, therefore, we have to conduct ourselves professionally.
If anyone is interested, read work of Dr. Kevin Gilmartin. He explains the slippery slope of over-identfying with the job and the problems it creates. Real eye-opener. But then again...what do I know? :)
 

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RPD931";p="59798 said:
Written Warning. They now appear on KQ's (Driver history).
Citations in which you fine someone are on their history. They show either responsible or not responsible findings.

Warnings are not.
 

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Write her. So what if she's never been stopped before, the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. :twisted:
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15 years bbelichick, long enough to know that getting pissed off at a knucklehead does me absolutely no good! All it ever did was make me do or say something that got me in the soup and had no bearing whatsoever on completing my mission. Deal in facts, make your decisions based on them, leave personalities out of it, you'll never wind up on the short end of the I.A. stick. :)
 

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chief801";p="59847 said:
15 years bbelichick, long enough to know that getting pissed off at a knucklehead does me absolutely no good! All it ever did was make me do or say something that got me in the soup and had no bearing whatsoever on completing my mission. Deal in facts, make your decisions based on them, leave personalities out of it, you'll never wind up on the short end of the I.A. stick. :)
Damn! You have to be the first Cop I ever heard of that's been out of the Academy over 6 months who espouses the "write the V, not the attitude" philosophy.

I never said you should get pissed off, just write the V and let the jerk get angry. Power of the pen...
 

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Written Warning. They now appear on KQ's (Driver history).
Written warnings do not show up on KQs, since the written warnings are no longer entered in the system since January 2002, they go to the trash at the RMV. It does show citations that were issued and the disposition such as R, NR,INC(pending hearing),Filed.
 

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History and attitude should have a large part in the decision process. If the attitude is to admit they were speeding and not make up some lame ass excuss or try argue, to me that means a ticket may not be nessesary. If they want to argue and be shitheads and/or have a driver history, obviuosly a warning is not gonna make them understand that they need to slow down, so let contribute to the state funds.

In my mind some people need to be given a cite to slow them down, others a warning may suffice, sometimes I think I can get a read on the person I stopped as soon as I tell them the reason for the stop based on thier reaction and sometimes I can't.

The only time I write every stop is on a speed shift.
 

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Regardless of your criteria for deciding "gig or warning", male cops dealing with female lemmings should ALWAYS document the stop: written warning or gig...no verbal stuff. There are a lot of "psychos" out there who are willing to tell tales...if you have the written documentation of the stop, it erodes their credibility. "What are you trying to hide..." will be the attitude from the second deck if there is no documentation. :shock:

Now, that having been said, I worked for a sergeant who had this philosophy when dealing with female violators: "The prettier they are, the bigger the gig: Because I know they have traded on there looks all their lives, and that somewhere, sometime, they have made some guy's life a living hell." :twisted: :wink:
 

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I happend to get a call from my mother last night. In the conversation I told her about the offer from MAPD,she asked that redundent question.......

So if you pulled over or had to arrest your friends..............would you give them a break? And I thought............and said a resounding NO, my two friends(MRC one of them) are the type of people that would not get into a sitiuation to need a break in the first place.

Anyone else, fair game. :twisted:
 

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However v/w are documented in a log in my dept. That includes all the operator info and veh info and details of the stop.
 
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