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Here's one guy who wishes he carried a gun. The news has widely shared the first half of his video, they don't show this part.
Lizette♡ on Instagram: "I made my account public now you can repost this m."

Nobody's telling you what to do, carrying is a choice. This bar banned guns even by off duty LEO. Their unarmed security guard ate the first few bullets. I chose not to patronize those places, but that's just me. I know NOT carrying will haunt the off duty guys there for the rest of your life. It's a statistical rarity, but I'm sure nobody was glad they obeyed law and policy that night.

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Here's one guy who wishes he carried a gun. The news has widely shared the first half of his video, they don't show this part.
Lizette♡ on Instagram: "I made my account public now you can repost this m."

Nobody's telling you what to do, carrying is a choice. This bar banned guns even by off duty LEO. Their unarmed security guard ate the first few bullets. I chose not to patronize those places, but that's just me. I know NOT carrying will haunt the off duty guys there for the rest of your life. It's a statistical rarity, but I'm sure nobody was glad they obeyed law and policy that night.

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Most of the people I drink with don't have ltc's, so having a designated shooter wouldn't work unless it was me every time and that won't happen. Different strokes i guess. And i'm sure these guys wish they had a weapon on them, terrible situation.
 

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Power full video, to mad it won't make the main stream media. I've already seen the video of the poor mom saying keep you damn prayers I don't want them I want gun control now. But I'm expecting to much from the media to show a balance.
 

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Power full video, to mad it won't make the main stream media. I've already seen the video of the poor mom saying keep you damn prayers I don't want them I want gun control now. But I'm expecting to much from the media to show a balance.
Mhm.
 

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The bar restricted carry even by off duty cops by policy...to include metal detectors. The unarmed guard running security was the first victim.

There is a LE U/FOUO Bulletin being circulated that supposedly goes into some of the killers social media postings...that sound an awful lot like pro gun control arguments.

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The only exception the policy had for NOT carrying a firearm off-duty was if the officer was participating in a sporting event which prohibited one from carrying a firearm ie; swimming, playing football, etc.
I wonder how strictly it was enforced and to what degree of discipline would be imposed. I've heard about a sheriff from years ago that was known to always check his guys if he saw them off duty and would throw the book at them if they were unarmed.

Interesting article from a while back:
Should off-duty cops carry guns at bars? City weighs
 

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"You're required to carry a gun, but if you do get drunk and do something stupid, then you're held responsible," said Peter Moskos, a professor at John Jay College and former Baltimore officer.

Yup, it's called Big Boy rules.

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If you’re required to carry a firearm off duty, then are you expected to act? If so, then how much OT do they pay you for your time, since that puts you on duty?
 

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Lol, I’d never expect my agency to pay me in order to carry off duty. I’m glad they let everyone qual with an off duty weapon during qual to clear up any LEOSA hiccups. Same with a take home car. I wouldn’t expect them to pay me for that too. Not that we have them, but if we did!
 

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You assume much. It’s also interesting how much koolaid is sucked down. Grossman, blah, blah, blah. Same old tired Sheepdog talk. He has some points, but isn’t the be all end all of cop work. Only needed to hear him once. Don’t have to again and again.

I ASKED: if an agency mandates taking action OFF DUTY, are they paying you for it? You see, there are times when one should be allowed to be off duty. If your agency says you are on duty 24 hours a day, then yes, I would expect to be compensated: would you work a second job for free? No? Why not? Will your agency completely cover you in all aspects if you take action off duty? Yes? Great. No? Probably 90%out there. Would you work an assignment that requires you to be on call with no pay bump or call time? Why? Same thing.

All you guys wearing Sheepdog shirts...yeah. Wearing something doesn’t make you anything...but a target. I’m betting you have cop/blue line shit all over your gear and cars.

Hush et al, you don’t know anything about me, so before you accuse me of being a poser, you might want to do some research.

Most of you have never been in an OIS or off duty incident. If you had, you would know that legal coverage is more important than how big a gun you carry or think you are. Endangering your family, because you THINK you are a Sheepdog is fucking stupid and selfish.
 

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There is a lot of info that wasn’t added into the first comment. That being said, the entire situation has changed and how it is perceived was also changed, so the replies will change as well.
 

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CCSD, my comment was more an opportunity to insert a good Departed quote than a dig at you personally.
Its hard to have a policy discussion, without agency specific policies to refer to. I think off-duty officer response can cause more headaches than it solves sometimes. I hope a policy would limit that to serious life threats, such as an active shooter. There are cops who don't want to carry a gun off duty at ALL. I think if they feel that way, they should leave it locked up in the station with their badge when they're not on duty. I think in places where LE places unreasonable and onerous restrictions on law abiding citizens ability to carry concealed for their own self defense, cops have DUTY to carry off duty because they are often the only people with the ability to be armed in public places.
Sure, at the end of the day its a choice....but I bet not a single one of those 6 off duty officers is relieved they left their guns at home or in the car.
 
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Update to this story.

It was just announced that the suspect struck Sergeant Helus five times with his .45 handgun but none of the rounds were fatal. Unfortunately, the fatal round was fired by the CHP officer who was with Sergeant Helus in the gunfight. It was his rifle round struck that struck Helus in the heart.

What a tragic turn of events. I can't even imagine how this CHP officer must feel now that he knows this. Both men displayed extreme bravery to enter the location while the shooting and chaos were ongoing. It's a shame it culminated the way it did. Another example of how dangerous and unpredictable our profession really is.
 
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