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Officer among 12 killed in mass shooting at bar in Thousand Oaks, California

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  1. kwflatbed

    kwflatbed MassCops Angel Staff Member

    Officer among 12 killed in mass shooting at bar in Thousand Oaks, California
    [​IMG] KARMA ALLEN, JUSTIN DOOM and EMILY SHAPIRO,ABC News 3 minutes 41 seconds ago
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      At least 12 people were killed and perhaps a dozen others injured late Wednesday at a packed Southern California bar when a gunman dressed in black burst in, tossed smoke grenades and fired off dozens of rounds, witnesses and authorities said.

      The suspect was found dead inside the bar, police said. Authorities are working to determine who he is and what his motive may have been.

      Sgt. Ron Helus was among the dozen killed, according to the Ventura County Sheriff's Department.

      Helus was one of the first on the scene and was fired on multiple times.

    Officer among 12 killed in mass shooting at bar in Thousand Oaks, California
  2. kwflatbed

    kwflatbed MassCops Angel Staff Member

  3. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    He was a hero, first in the door and confronted the killer, and may have caused the killer to self-select. There were 6 off duty cops in the bar from various agencies. Apparently none were carrying their guns. Some courageously blocked patrons with their bodies. I'd rather shoot back than act as a bullet sponge....ALWAYS CARRY, if you're going out in a group you should have a designated shooter/driver.

    I like going out for a night too, but I'd rather take it easy on the drinking than have to live the rest of my life wishing I had brought my gun. That's a fate worse than death.
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  4. CCCSD

    CCCSD MassCops Member

    Carrying while drinking is a no go. Policy violation and more.
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  5. patrol22

    patrol22 MassCops Member

    Another good reason to have bar/nightclub details. Not saying it would have drastically changed the outcome in this circumstance but it does serve as a deterrent for many bad things.
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  6. Tailon630

    Tailon630 MassCops Member

    I think this is more of a we need more bar/nightclub details then we should be carrying as we go out for a night.. I bet if one of those off duty cops carried and fired upon the killer it would be a shit storm after the fact and they would be questioned more than the person who did the shooting.. thats the shitty part of this time, they'd chalk it up to a guy with "mental illness" for the killing but the guy who saved lives and kills one man gets prosecuted for carrying while at a bar and around booze would be questioned for carrying in the first place... For those cops in the bar i get it, they did everything they could with what was presented, still heroes to me.

    Sgt. Helus is a Hero, Rest easy brother, We have it from here....
  7. LA Copper

    LA Copper Subscribing Member

    Thousand Oaks is only about a 15 minute drive from the northwestern border of Los Angeles so it's pretty close. It's a very nice and safe city with very little violent crime and many police and fire personnel living there.

    From a very reliable source, this particular bar had a "no guns" policy, even for police, which is why there was a security officer at the front door. He was the first to be shot. This is why none of the officers had a weapon on their persons. It was the "perfect storm" so to speak against the off-duty officers. A very safe city, drinking alcohol, a no gun policy, and a trained US Marine on a mission, all led to these people being victims.

    The tenured CHP officer (who recently completed his second combat tour overseas), his probationer, and the Ventura County Sheriff's sergeant all entered the bar together because when they arrived at scene, the shooting was still going on. The suspect was apparently waiting for them near the door because he immediately fired on them as soon as they entered, striking the sergeant several times. The CHP officer had an M-4 and put three rounds into the suspect. He then retreated to a back office where he shot himself.

    From what I've heard, both the on and off-duty officers were all heroes at this event for various reasons. Unfortunately one of them lost his life. May he rest in peace.
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  8. patrol22

    patrol22 MassCops Member

    Thank you for sharing the details, sounds like a lot of heroism was displayed by all involved. Was the security guard armed by chance?
  9. LA Copper

    LA Copper Subscribing Member

    I have not heard if the security officer was armed or not so I don't know yet. I'm sure we'll find out in the next couple of days.

    To make matters worse, there's now a huge brush fire in that same immediate area. Lots of people are being evacuated because of it. Last I heard it's over 8,000 acres.
  10. PBC FL Cop

    PBC FL Cop Subscribing Member

  11. JimBrown

    JimBrown MassCops Member

    But are you really living if you've reached the point of having a designated shooter?
  12. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    Think of it like a designated can act as both. You can pretend to live in a world where that's not necessary, but these 6 off duty officers will live the rest of their lives with the screams and gunshots rattling around their brains, to me that's a fate worse than death.

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  13. PBC FL Cop

    PBC FL Cop Subscribing Member

    When I worked in S FL we were mandated to carry off-duty. Firearm, extra mag and cuffs...Mandated!!
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  14. JimBrown

    JimBrown MassCops Member

    Even while drinking?
  15. JimBrown

    JimBrown MassCops Member

    When you go drinking, your most likely going to need a dd, that's why people prepare for it, because it's most likely going to happen. Having someone not drink just to prepare for a mass shooting is over the top. Plus you'd have to make sure alot of your friends have ltc's. I can imagine meeting someone in a bar and asking why they're not drinking...
    "In case a mass shooting happens, you know, just being responsible"
    There's being prepared, and then there's letting these shitbags cause us to live in fear. We can't do that.
  16. CCCSD

    CCCSD MassCops Member

    If your agency policy says no guns at bars, it’s no guns. Unless you don’t mind getting fired and losing any pensions and protections you might have had.
  17. JimBrown

    JimBrown MassCops Member

    Luckily you don't lose your pension just for getting fired.
  18. R2D2

    R2D2 MassCops Member

    Or you move to a state where carrying at bars are legal, drinking while carrying is legal (as long as under .08). You work for a federal agency. And you say FUCK Masschusetts. Then carrying while drinking ISNT a no go, or a policy violation.
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  19. 38bigblock

    38bigblock MassCops Member

    Best post in the thread. I couldn’t say it better myself. Just remember, don’t do back flips with your gun in your waistband !
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  20. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    We'll leave back flips to the feds.

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  21. JimBrown

    JimBrown MassCops Member

    I ALWAYS carry just in case...
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  22. CCCSD

    CCCSD MassCops Member

    Guess most of you haven’t been in an OIS nor sued in court...
  23. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    Here's one guy who wishes he carried a gun. The news has widely shared the first half of his video, they don't show this part.
    Lizette♡ on Instagram: “I made my account public now you can repost this m.”

    Nobody's telling you what to do, carrying is a choice. This bar banned guns even by off duty LEO. Their unarmed security guard ate the first few bullets. I chose not to patronize those places, but that's just me. I know NOT carrying will haunt the off duty guys there for the rest of your life. It's a statistical rarity, but I'm sure nobody was glad they obeyed law and policy that night.

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  24. JimBrown

    JimBrown MassCops Member

    Most of the people I drink with don't have ltc's, so having a designated shooter wouldn't work unless it was me every time and that won't happen. Different strokes i guess. And i'm sure these guys wish they had a weapon on them, terrible situation.
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  25. Truck

    Truck MassCops Member

    Power full video, to mad it won't make the main stream media. I've already seen the video of the poor mom saying keep you damn prayers I don't want them I want gun control now. But I'm expecting to much from the media to show a balance.
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