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I am requesting any campus departments out there to send me information on type of O.C. spray you carry and how many times you have used it. Also what did you carry before you had oc spray. And for those dept.s that carry it do you also carry a baton and firearm.

The dept. I work for does not carry it yet and some of the guys of the dept. think if we get it to get rid of the baton. I say no to this as you need all the tools to do the job.

Please send any information on this topic to [email protected]

Thank You in advance.
 

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If you carry the baton, DONT get rid of it. It serves a completly different function than O.C.. Immagine trying to block a Pipe or bat coming down on your head with a bottle of OC. YEOWCH
 

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If I have my way we will not get rid of the baton but keep it along with the firearm and the o.c. spray. I believe that you should have all options open to you when needed. Union 1 what did your dept. carry before oc just a baton or what. I need data when I go to the committee meeting I am part of. Thank You for your response.

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Found this info here on the rating system.

Oleoresin Capsicum is the product created by a process in which ground dried Chile peppers are rendered to release capsaicin, the natural pepper resin into corn oil. Hence the name oleoresin capsicum. Capsicum is the botanical name for Chile peppers. The "Hotness"of the OC is based on the capsaicin content of the oleoresin, basically the active ingredient of the OC. The method of measure called a Scoville Heat Unit that is used to measure how hot a natural chile pepper is also applied to OC.

For example, a bell pepper has an SHU (Scoville Heat Unit) rating of zero while Jalapeno peppers rate approximately 5,000 SHU. SHU ratings of OC are based on capsaicin content.

Pure Capsaicin is a tremendous 15 million SHU. The OC used in Aerko products is 2 million SHU which contains thirteen percent capsaicin. Further, one million SHU OC is about 7 percent capsaicin and 500,000 SHU OC is approximately 3 percent capsaicin. Other OC products on the market today reportedly contain an OC with a rating of 16 thousand SHU. This hardly seems adequate. Obviously higher percentages of this kind of active ingredient are not only needed, but demanded.

If confronted with a 10% OC formula the first question should be "10% of what?". As virtually a self regulated industry there is no governing body nationally to say what the minimum acceptable SHU standard should be.

Here is how it all relates. If a product is 5% OC, of an OC rated at 2 million SHU, its capsaicin content is .675%. Another product that is 10% OC, of an OC rated at 500,000 SHU, its capsaicin content is .3%, which is 50% less than the first product.

The bottom line is this, unlike CN or CS that are known commodities with established incapacitating doses, with OC the question "of what?" is more important than "how much?".

All Oleoresin capsicum used by Aerko International is 2 million SHU including Punch III.

http://www.aerko.com/hot.htm
 

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I dont know what Emerson Carry'd before.. Sometimes I wonder how we got O.C. and Leaps... but thats a different story!
 

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Get a nice 10%, the Mark series are pretty popular. And remind your chief that a baton and OC serve different purposes and are considered different levels of force. How can you escalate force properly when you have to skip a step?
 

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You need all the tools of the trade. More or less steps, of course depends on the incident. You have to use the OC against a subject, it does not effect him/her, but the suspect needs to be controled, detained, apprehended, you use the baton.

Now if he/she sues your department, they can show that officers had the tools to take the steps, OC, stick etc.
 

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Not to knock anyones dept., but I know that Tufts Univ. PD carries firearms and baton, but no OC. I heard the admin is concerned about liability. :-s Have they heard of the use of force continuum? I never understood that... :-k gun, baton, but no OC. Oh well, at least they are armed. Better that than anything else.

PS Hey eglock, after writing I just realized that you were the author of the first post. Good luck with the OC issue. I don't see what the big deal is, they are armed, baton. Has any of the admin checked out the use of force training manuals.
 

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Force continuim :-k I wonder what that is :-k . Hey after you spray someone don't you feel like :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :D :D :-$ :-$ :-$ :-$
 

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No OC but you can carry a Baton and Gun at Tufts...Because they're worried about Libility....Yeah Ok...like the Baton and Gun aren't...Could someone please tell me where the hell these people come from...is it something in the water...what is it...I here this all the time "Oh that's a libilty!"...Does anyone ever bother to talk with a lawyer or do some research or something to see if it really is..Esp when other places have something or do something and it's no problem there.
 

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Like Sgt. Jack said, where do these people come from. These are well known Universities and supposedly run by educated people. I ](*,) I'm not quite sure what it is, but something is off with these people. I used to work at a "prestigious" university and someone mentioned getting AEDs for the cruisers. The Director of Pubic Safety's (AKA Chief in a real dept) response was that the AED was a liability for the department and University. :-k Hmmm what would have been better better, me standing over the university president or some parent at commencment watching him have a heart attack. Gee mam' I'm sorry your husband has fallen ill to a heart attack, I don't have an AED that could save him b/c my so called chief says its a liablility. Some schools are such a joke....... :eek:t: Sorry :eek:t: just had to put my 2 cents about my old place of employment.
 

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GPD11

I see the word "Sgt." underneath your name. Did some either promote themselves again or it is the real deal. If so congrats. As to other issue at hand I think it will be a done deal. It just takes time to get these things. I am glad that it over getting oc spray and not a gun. Well let me know what going on.

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Sgt Jack said:
No OC but you can carry a Baton and Gun at Tufts...Because they're worried about Libility....Yeah Ok...like the Baton and Gun aren't...Could someone please tell me where the hell these people come from...is it something in the water...what is it...I here this all the time "Oh that's a libilty!"...Does anyone ever bother to talk with a lawyer or do some research or something to see if it really is..Esp when other places have something or do something and it's no problem there.
I sure hope this isn't an argument for OC! If you try this argument, you are very likely to lose everything.

NO, OC is NOT a liability, and neither are guns or batons. They are all trade tools that are meant to enhance the safety and security of the officers and those they are entrusted to protect. Through extensive training in the correct use of these tools, the experts who use them can perform their job in the safest manner possible using just the amount of force that is necessary to safely achieve the objective.

:eek:t: eglock72: YES, GPD11 has been promoted to Sgt. - and congratulations to him! If you keep up the eloquent and engaging posts, you too can have the wonderful title of "Sergeant" below your username ;-)

-Eric
 
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