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I took the exam several times, 2013, 2015 and 2017. Thankfully 2017, my third attempt, was the magic number, but it was looking grim there for a few years and I wasn’t sure if I’d ever get on.

Unfortunately nothing will change and we’re wasting time and energy even talking about it.
Praying for you bro I hope you get on!
 

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Nepotism is gone for the most part, the CS exam made sure of that, but it also created an entirely different problem, hiring someone based on a completely ridiculous exam.
Obviously I can't speak for now, but when I was taking the Civil Service tests back in the 80s, nepotism was still alive and well. People being passed over because they had something "wrong" in their background or their physical in order to get to the mayor's or selectman's cousin, nephew, grandson, etc.

I was told if I held signs and stuffed envelopes for the local selectman, I would have a much better chance of being hired. I said the heck with that! The closest I came was 17th on the list in my hometown (with a 99 on the test), which is why I ended up with the LAPD and I couldn't have been happier. What a difference!
 

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All you people trying to blame this on the exam system need to wake up. This happened because someone got drunk and made a stupid decision, not because of how they were hired.

Police departments all over the country have scandals, regardless of their hiring practices. LAPD had the Rampart Gang Unit scandal, NYPD had the Amadou Diallo scandal, MSP had the Pike OT scandal, etc., etc., etc.

If you can’t get hired by your agency of choice, then play the game harder and smarter, don’t blame it on one idiot who got drunk and was too arrogant to do the right thing.

Sitting back and saying “See!! See!! That’s why I wasn’t hired!!!” is stupid and childish.
 

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The age requirement is BS since we all pay into the pension system. If the MSP wasn't so hardo for dumb crap they would allow laterals. Instead they keep hiring 24 year old kids that do dumb shit and make the news. I wonder if this kid was one of the suspended license crew that had to be driven to the academy by a trooper.
 

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Obviously I can't speak for now, but when I was taking the Civil Service tests back in the 80s, nepotism was still alive and well. People being passed over because they had something "wrong" in their background or their physical in order to get to the mayor's or selectman's cousin, nephew, grandson, etc.

I was told if I held signs and stuffed envelopes for the local selectman, I would have a much better chance of being hired. I said the heck with that! The closest I came was 17th on the list in my hometown (with a 99 on the test), which is why I ended up with the LAPD and I couldn't have been happier. What a difference!
At least in Boston, I agree with DPH here. I know people who’ve been hired by BPD who didn’t even grow up in the city and have zero connections. And I’ve seen people with VERY big connections not get on because they weren’t cut out for the job.
Not saying that CS is perfect, but I will say that the BPD hiring process is very fair.
Can’t speak for every CS town in MA obviously. And a lot of the non-CS towns are not nearly as fair
 

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At least in Boston, I agree with DPH here. I know people who’ve been hired by BPD who didn’t even grow up in the city and have zero connections. And I’ve seen people with VERY big connections not get on because they weren’t cut out for the job.
Not saying that CS is perfect, but I will say that the BPD hiring process is very fair.
Can’t speak for every CS town in MA obviously. And a lot of the non-CS towns are not nearly as fair
Which is why I prefaced it with, "I can't speak for now." But it was certainly like that when I was trying to get on. Plus, there have been lots of different threads here on Masscops in the past where someone would bring up that exact point. I'm glad it's better now.
 

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All you people trying to blame this on the exam system need to wake up. This happened because someone got drunk and made a stupid decision, not because of how they were hired.

Police departments all over the country have scandals, regardless of their hiring practices. LAPD had the Rampart Gang Unit scandal, NYPD had the Amadou Diallo scandal, MSP had the Pike OT scandal, etc., etc., etc.

If you can’t get hired by your agency of choice, then play the game harder and smarter, don’t blame it on one idiot who got drunk and was too arrogant to do the right thing.

Sitting back and saying “See!! See!! That’s why I wasn’t hired!!!” is stupid and childish.
Agreed, a "scandal" can happen anywhere, from the smallest department to the biggest. No system is perfect, however, I still believe there's a better chance of getting qualified candidates through the basic application and complete testing process. And not just related to scandals, I'm also referring to good people who can be good officers. But that's just my opinion.

(Thankfully, the entire "Rampart Scandal" came down to only three people involved and not the multitudes Rafael Perez purported it to be. That's still 3 too many out of 10,000 but it's better than a bunch.)
 

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Agreed, a "scandal" can happen anywhere, from the smallest department to the biggest. No system is perfect, however, I still believe there's a better chance of getting qualified candidates through the basic application and complete testing process. And not just related to scandals, I'm also referring to good people who can be good officers. But that's just my opinion.

(Thankfully, the entire "Rampart Scandal" came down to only three people involved and not the multitudes Rafael Perez purported it to be. That's still 3 too many out of 10,000 but it's better than a bunch.)
Those guys are only the ones that got found…
 

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F’d up situation, very sorry for the family.

It seems like out of every RTT one kid does something stupid within the first 12 months and gets canned. It happens. Personal choices, not the sin of the PD.

I love the younger troopers out of my local barracks. They always pull up and offer help. I’ve told em several times where to sit and wait and when to stop cars if they want guns, drugs etc. Nice group of guys/gals.

That being said……F the way MSP hires. If they want to recruit and retain the best this industry has to offer they are going to have to modernize. Sorry a 5 year Boston/Brockton/Springfield guy doesn’t wanna spend 6 mo with his head in a urinal for minimum wage. And let’s just call it…academy instructors are not there, usually, because they are steller cops. No, I don’t want my underwear drawer dumped by a guy whose bulk of ‘experience’ consists of CH90 on Rt2 in Sudbury.

Accept laterals, recruiting problem solved.
 

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At least in Boston, I agree with DPH here. I know people who’ve been hired by BPD who didn’t even grow up in the city and have zero connections. And I’ve seen people with VERY big connections not get on because they weren’t cut out for the job.
Not saying that CS is perfect, but I will say that the BPD hiring process is very fair.
Can’t speak for every CS town in MA obviously. And a lot of the non-CS towns are not nearly as fair
You’ll see if you ever run into someone who was in the Cadet Program. That’s where the nepotism hiring moved to once CS came in for Boston.
 

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F’d up situation, very sorry for the family.

It seems like out of every RTT one kid does something stupid within the first 12 months and gets canned. It happens. Personal choices, not the sin of the PD.

I love the younger troopers out of my local barracks. They always pull up and offer help. I’ve told em several times where to sit and wait and when to stop cars if they want guns, drugs etc. Nice group of guys/gals.

That being said……F the way MSP hires. If they want to recruit and retain the best this industry has to offer they are going to have to modernize. Sorry a 5 year Boston/Brockton/Springfield guy doesn’t wanna spend 6 mo with his head in a urinal for minimum wage. And let’s just call it…academy instructors are not there, usually, because they are steller cops. No, I don’t want my underwear drawer dumped by a guy whose bulk of ‘experience’ consists of CH90 on Rt2 in Sudbury.

Accept laterals, recruiting problem solved.
It’s definitely more than one.. the 85th RTT has had at least 5-6 fired already. I’m not saying I became a monk once I got on, but you’ve got to conduct yourself differently in your personal life once you’re on, especially for an agency that is as highly scrutinized as the MSP.
 

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It’s definitely more than one.. the 85th RTT has had at least 5-6 fired already. I’m not saying I became a monk once I got on, but you’ve got to conduct yourself differently in your personal life once you’re on, especially for an agency that is as highly scrutinized as the MSP.
True words right there, but some people still have to learn the hard way.
 

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It’s definitely more than one.. the 85th RTT has had at least 5-6 fired already. I’m not saying I became a monk once I got on, but you’ve got to conduct yourself differently in your personal life once you’re on, especially for an agency that is as highly scrutinized as the MSP.
As long as police departments have to recruit from the human race, that’s going to happen. Human nature, it’s not job-specific.

My academy class was <40 people; 3 are dead (2 by their own hands), 2 were fired, some left the job before retirement, and a couple are now chiefs.

None of that had anything to do with what departments they were with.
 

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As long as police departments have to recruit from the human race, that’s going to happen. Human nature, it’s not job-specific.

My academy class was <40 people; 3 are dead (2 by their own hands), 2 were fired, some left the job before retirement, and a couple are now chiefs.

None of that had anything to do with what departments they were with.
One of the best responses to this thread I've read. I had a couple of guys who were screw ups, maybe not immediately, but eventually (though one was clearly missing something, as smart as he was). The rest of us (Yup, I'm awesome) got through our careers with very little fanfare. Two guys made Chief. Neither was the type who drew attention to themselves, just good decent hard working guys. I truly believe that, the ones who draw attention to themselves are the ones you have to worry about. They may be awesome, but there's a better chance they're so self centered, they'll see themselves as unable to do wrong, no matter if it's wrong or not.
 

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You’ll see if you ever run into someone who was in the Cadet Program. That’s where the nepotism hiring moved to once CS came in for Boston.
The BPD cadet program 😂 I have a family member who’s mommy was a long time friend of the mayor, he got into the cadet program and has now been on in Boston for a couple years. No idea who did his background investigation, but in less than 10 years how does someone go from being a pot head skinhead nazi wannabe to being on the job with Boston?
 

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The BPD cadet program 😂 I have a family member who’s mommy was a long time friend of the mayor, he got into the cadet program and has now been on in Boston for a couple years. No idea who did his background investigation, but in less than 10 years how does someone go from being a pot head skinhead nazi wannabe to being on the job with Boston?
Tell me about it. I don’t want to say what neighborhood I’m from in Boston because I’d be giving myself away too much, but there’s kids I grew up with there that fit a similar profile that got on, through the cadet program. A couple of kids I know that got on did nothing but smoke pot, break into cars, jump yuppies coming off the T from work and just a bunch of other hoodlum shit... and now they’ve got a gun and a badge for BPD. Anytime I happen to see them I just shake my head in disbelief that they’ve gotten in.

So believe me, nepotism is alive and well in Boston, but it’s masqueraded as a “Cadet Program”..
 

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The age requirement is BS since we all pay into the pension system. If the MSP wasn't so hardo for dumb crap they would allow laterals. Instead they keep hiring 24 year old kids that do dumb shit and make the news. I wonder if this kid was one of the suspended license crew that had to be driven to the academy by a trooper.
I thought the suspended license thing was a rumor
 
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