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I would have given my right nut to get that job (come to think of it, even today amongst all the bull shit going on i'd give my left nut too) he graduates the academy days ago. Now his hopes of any police career are gone.
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DORCHESTER (CBS) – A Massachusetts State Trooper who just graduated from the training academy is now facing criminal charges in a deadly motorcycle crash in Boston early Friday morning.

State Police said 25-year-old probationary trooper Kristopher Carr of Monson is charged with motor vehicle homicide while OUI and negligent operation of a motor vehicle in the crash. He was arraigned Friday afternoon in Dorchester District Court.
Investigators said Carr was off-duty, driving a woman in a Ford Explorer on Route 93 south just before 1:30 a.m. when he lost control, hit the median barrier and stopped perpendicular to traffic near the Freeport Street exit. He and the woman got out of the SUV after the crash.
Moments later, a motorcycle slammed into the Explorer. That driver, 51-year-old Christopher Zike of Winthrop, was rushed to Boston Medical Center where he died.
Carr was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital with what police said were “possible minor injuries.”
His 24-year-old passenger had a minor injury. She told the court on Friday that Carr went to several establishments and had six to seven drinks before driving. She also said Carr tried to lean over and kiss her moments before the crash.
He was released from the hospital and was booked at the South Boston barracks. Carr is being held on $5,000 cash bail.
State Police spokesman Dave Procopio said Carr graduated from the academy last week and was assigned to the Westfield barracks. He was relieved of duty and fired.

“We are deeply saddened by the loss of Mr. Zike’s life and express our condolences to his family,” State Police Colonel Christopher Mason said in statement.
“Upon responding to the incident Troopers immediately began an investigation that ultimately led to the determination that the probationary member was responsible and that criminal charges were warranted. We also immediately relieved him of duty and then terminated his employment as his actions, as indicated by the evidence, are in direct violation of the standards of integrity, conduct, and professionalism demanded by the Department.”
 

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I would have given my right nut to get that job (come to think of it, even today amongst all the bull shit going on i'd give my left nut
If you saw what things looked like on the inside you’d reconsider giving up your balls. It’s nothing but rot inside with morale in the toilet.

As for this kid, just another example of shitty recruiting on the part of MSP. More rot and it’s only going to get worse.
 

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If you saw what things looked like on the inside you’d reconsider giving up your balls. It’s nothing but rot inside with morale in the toilet.

As for this kid, just another example of shitty recruiting on the part of MSP. More rot and it’s only going to get worse.
That’s part of the problem, there really is no “recruiting”. It’s a roll of the dice seeing who number xxxx is on the Civil Service exam list and hoping for the best. The MSP really needs to take a page out of the southern state agencies when it comes to recruiting. Texas DPS, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and even California CHP are light years ahead when it comes to recruiting and their way of hiring.

But that’ll never happen unfortunately, they’ll just roll out the exam again in 3.5 years and give it another go.
 

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Can't speak for the other agencies you mentioned DPH, but like all agencies here in California, including mine, the CHP has an application process open to everyone, not a standard Civil Service test like is given there in Mass (which I took twice before coming out to California). In my humble opinion, the application process out here is better and more fair.

One would hope that in almost 2022, the nepotism thing would be a thing of the past back there, especially in bigger agencies like the Staties, Boston, Worcester, etc.
 

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I wouldn’t lump Florida in there.

Florida is like Bizzaro land for police in terms of hierarchy. Compared to Mass. maybe Mass is screwed up? I dunno. Anyway, I digress…

Sheriffs run the show down there for their respective county.

FHP pays very poorly and there’s no step plan Someone told me ages ago that FHP loses several troopers a month to other agencies.

Anyway - they seem squared away but morale
Is low there too. Can’t keep guys, short staffed, low pay, etc etc.
 

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I feel awful for the victim, his friends were on Channel 7 News tonight saying what a great guy he was, and unlike many times when family/friends say that, it really seems like he was. He spent every morning over the Summer tending to a flower garden (on his own time, he didn’t work there) at a nursing home, because he knew the residents liked the flowers.

It’s 2021, there is NO excuse for drunk driving anymore, if there ever was. With taxis, Uber, Lyft, etc., there’s no reason whatsoever to get behind the wheel if you’ve been drinking these days.

Now an innocent person is dead, this kid’s career is finished, and for what? A few drinks?

Sucks all around.
 

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A 5 year Worcester police officer vet takes the MSP exam when he's at the cut off age (35) and scores a 91. Several classes are taken off that test but he receives no letter be cause of his score, for the sake of argument let's say 3 RTT classes are processed form that list. Now that officer is 36 to 38 when the next test come out but he can't take it, because of the age requirement. Instead the next class consists of 21 to 28 year old kids that just tested well. Ok, sure some have degrees and some may have experience as a seasonal cape cop. The Worcester guy is sol just be cause of his age and the fact he doesn't test well. ....is this not fucking ass backwards?
 

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A 5 year Worcester police officer vet takes the MSP exam when he's at the cut off age (35) and scores a 91. Several classes are taken off that test but he receives no letter be cause of his score, for the sake of argument let's say 3 RTT classes are processed form that list. Now that officer is 36 to 38 when the next test come out but he can't take it, because of the age requirement. Instead the next class consists of 21 to 28 year old kids that just tested well. Ok, sure some have degrees and some may have experience as a seasonal cape cop. The Worcester guy is sol just be cause of his age and the fact he doesn't test well. ....is this not fucking ass backwards?
Without a question. I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again, this state (in particular the MSP) will not get their staffing issues resolved using these archaic hiring methods. They have got to acknowledge the fact hiring in this social environment is not the same as it was in the 90s, 80s, 70s.. hell not even the 2000’s. Time to adapt.

I know some of the southern state agencies don’t have age requirements though, that I don’t necessarily agree with entirely. I think there should be a cap at 40-42.

But yes, incredibly ass backwards.
 

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I wouldn’t lump Florida in there.

Florida is like Bizzaro land for police in terms of hierarchy. Compared to Mass. maybe Mass is screwed up? I dunno. Anyway, I digress…

Sheriffs run the show down there for their respective county.

FHP pays very poorly and there’s no step plan Someone told me ages ago that FHP loses several troopers a month to other agencies.

Anyway - they seem squared away but morale
Is low there too. Can’t keep guys, short staffed, low pay, etc etc.
Yeah FHP isn’t a highly desired agency from what I understand, but their hiring practices are better than the MSP.
 

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Can't speak for the other agencies you mentioned DPH, but like all agencies here in California, including mine, the CHP has an application process open to everyone, not a standard Civil Service test like is given there in Mass (which I took twice before coming out to California). In my humble opinion, the application process out here is better and more fair.

One would hope that in almost 2022, the nepotism thing would be a thing of the past back there, especially in bigger agencies like the Staties, Boston, Worcester, etc.
Nepotism is gone for the most part, the CS exam made sure of that, but it also created an entirely different problem, hiring someone based on a completely ridiculous exam.
 

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The state should just get rid of the civil service exam. They should just be able to hire the best people for the job. They can use the test to gauge people's test taking abilities that's all its good for. In other words it sucks
All agencies, State and Municipal, should allow people to submit applications directly to the agency. Academies in plenty of other states, cities and counties in the country are done on a rolling basis.

1. Review an applicants resume that they submit. Do they have a college education? Military Experience? Prior LE experience? etc and use their professional or educational background to determine if they should be invited to test..

2. Test the applicants that meet basic requirements - Have the exam be PASS or FAIL.. not this bullshit number system.

3. If they pass the exam, invite them for an interview, medical and psych exam all in one shot. Not Dilly Dallying for 3 months between the 3 steps.

4. If they pass all that, go to the academy.

It’s really not that difficult.
 

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I couldn't agree more. They should put you in charge of things. Glad I joined this forum where the real discussions about how to improve things are happening.
I took the exam several times, 2013, 2015 and 2017. Thankfully 2017, my third attempt, was the magic number, but it was looking grim there for a few years and I wasn’t sure if I’d ever get on.

Unfortunately nothing will change and we’re wasting time and energy even talking about it.
 

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If you saw what things looked like on the inside you’d reconsider giving up your balls. It’s nothing but rot inside with morale in the toilet.

As for this kid, just another example of shitty recruiting on the part of MSP. More rot and it’s only going to get worse.
shitty recruiting or shitty applicant pool?This past graduating class is from the 2017 list so a lot of these guys were quite low.
 
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