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Who are these guys? While going through Norwood Center, I spied 4 vehicles, first, and unmarked brand new C/V with blue lights in the grille and white lights over the rear view mirror. Next two were Ford F-250's. One was set up as a lighting truck while the second looked similar to an Animal Control type vehicle with lots of doors on the box on back. One door was labeled MUNITIONS. Yikes! :shock:
Last was a big bus / bread truck that said in 1' high letters "POLICE PARAMEDICS". Smaller letter said "EMS Provided By Fallon". All 3 marked vehicles were white with a black & grey strip running the length of the trucks. A black patch was affixed to the sides of the trucks as well. Mass Police plates on all trucks. I didn't see any turtles running around, they must have been in the sub shop. This was around 1PM / lunchtime.
I have heard of different 'LECS all over the state but never of these guys. Some of you, enlighten me please. Please don't turn this into a 5 page thread either. I just want to know who they are & what function they perform.

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that's the team formerly known as NORSTAR, a regional team primarly made up of Norfolk County Towns but spread beyond hence the name change to METROSTAR

i've seen them deployed as far south as duxbury
 

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SCAMSTAR, CHEATLEC, DUBIOUS, Etc.
 
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Gee, it seems to me that all the hollering and bitching going on about all the 'LECS throughout the Commonwealth seem to be coming from the S/P members of this fine bulletin board. How come?
I know the STOP Team has been around for a long time but don't you think these 'LECS were started for a reason? Were they started because of bad response times from the STOP Team? Did some of these police chiefs get bad service from the S/P at one point & decided to say F.U. :2up: and start their own turtle team?
I have never really had any problems with S/P members where I work but I have heard some horror stories about S/P members s#itting on local cops in the past. Maybe this is a bit of payback or some chief's way of getting back at them for a slight that may have occured decades ago.
Either way, if my ass is on the line, I don't care who the hell shows up. As long as they have an extra mag that fits my Glock, I could care less. HC

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HousingCop said:
Gee, it seems to me that all the hollering and bitching going on about all the 'LECS throughout the Commonwealth seem to be coming from the S/P members of this fine bulletin board. How come?
I know the STOP Team has been around for a long time but don't you think these 'LECS were started for a reason? Were they started because of bad response times from the STOP Team? Did some of these police chiefs get bad service from the S/P at one point & decided to say F.U. :2up: and start their own turtle team?
I have never really had any problems with S/P members where I work but I have heard some horror stories about S/P members s#itting on local cops in the past. Maybe this is a bit of payback or some chief's way of getting back at them for a slight that may have occured decades ago.
Either way, if my ass is on the line, I don't care who the hell shows up. As long as they have an extra mag that fits my Glock, I could care less. HC

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I bet I can answer that
 

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Talk about throwing stones again! I'll tell you the reason why SP members are not happy about the various ninja teams running around: duplication of effort. Cities and towns that are laying off officers left and right still try to get grant money to buy everything from T-shirts to armored personell carriers. Whatever reasons the chiefs of these towns think they have whether they got a ticket from a Trooper in High School or some such nonsense, its not about misplaced pride; its about protecting jobs. What if you went to work one day an ten guys got their pinks slips because your department decided that they needed an armored vehicle and a bunch of machine guns? The SP provides these services for the price of your already collected tax dollars. We take our cruisers home so that our STOP team can get anywhere in the state in a timely, safe fashion. We don't bomb down Rte 128 in mom's station wagon on our way to a call out. Any blue-blooded cop should be upset about the frivilous expenditure of these teams. $13,000 for PT gear? The next time you think about crapping on my boots, think about the Winnebago command post at the pats game, then think about layed-off cops walking over to the unemployment office, wondering how they're going to support their families.
 
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How many cops in this state are still layed off / unemployed at this time? There has been enough lateral positions on the jobfile or police academys started to say in my opinion that the big layoffs are well over.

Why should I cry for a cop who is layed off and refuses to go to a town a few miles away since he doesn't like it there or another town because it is too far to drive? These are some of the reasons that some cops turn these jobs down. Hell, I would drive to NYC to do a job to feed my family.

These so-called SCAMLEC vehicles are already bought & paid for from Uncle Sam's tax dollars that me, you & the guy in NJ pay into. They are here so they might as well get some use instead of collecting dust in a garage somewhere.

MSP has 2000+ personnel on their roster according to another thread in here. Where the hell are they? I don't see them at all & I am here in Boston where there are 5 barracks within spitting distance. When the Mets were around they used to run 8 guys a shift out of Old Colony. Now there is 2-3 on a good night.

Killjoy, there has got to be a reason that these teams are sprouting up. Is it the fact that the STOP team takes too long to assemble and the regional Chiefs think their guys can respond faster from closer to home?

Who's closer, a guy who works and lives in town and can turtle-up for a situation in town or 1 to 2 towns away or a Trooper out shopping who has to go home, get his bluebird and turtle-up, then drive maybe 5 towns or even 1/2 way across the state? I seem to be ](*,)
 

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Your sympathy for our layed-off brothers speaks volumes.....I hope no one ever decides your "Housing Authority Police" is an unecessary duplication of BPD and Municipals, and cuts you; then other police officers can show the same sympathy that you show.

-I know that you don't give whit for W.Mass, but Springfield hasn't hired back anyone...and only about a dozen of the 76 got laterals to nearby departments. So there goes your theory. I know that you think that Boston is the center of the universe, but there are other parts of this state. Take a trip sometime out of your gritty projects and you'll see. And don't pull this "I'm from Boston, I'm better than anyone crap", I grew up in Somerville and live in Medford, but work in Springfield, I'm not some rube you can bamboozal with stories of the terrifying "big city". I notice that Springfield was the only city in Mass to make the top 20 most dangerous cities; I didn't see Boston there.....
-What's the difference if some NEMLEC cop has to go six towns over in his PC or a Trooper? Well, you seem to assume the local police live in the same town they work in, many don't. The locals go to their call outs in the Dodge minivan, while we go screaming with blue lights and sirens. Not to mention that STOP trains a lot more heavily than any team in New England. And your right, we are 2000 strong, so we also don't just bring the ninja-turtles, we bring Command & Control, K-9's, Hostage Negotiaters, SERT, THE WHOLE PACKAGE. Now, can towns do that?
-Are my tax dollars better spent buying a winnebago for the turtle team that sits collecting dust most of the time, or perhaps getting a grant for more patrols? OT is good for everyone!

The real reason these teams are sprouting up is that chiefs want to bring in money, and nowadays, tac ops are the way to do it. It used to be Community Policing, but in this day and age.......
I don't live on the moon and just fly down here for my shifts, I live in MA too! I don't see the need (especially in my town, what they really need is a bigger traffic division!) for most cities to waste the time and effort to build a team that will hardly ever see the light of day. Springfield, the 3rd largest city in this state tried to build a SWAT team, until they realized it was a waste of money.
 

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These are but a few of the problems encountered so far:

FORCED OVERTIME: Everybody likes OT right? Sorry, you have to stay tonight because Jones is in Pembroke. I'm sure the kids will understand.

MANPOWER LIMBO: Absent forced overtime the Admin gets to play the, 'How low can we go with staffing game". "Call me if you have any problems, I'll see you in 16 hours."

BARGAINING UNIT WORK: "We don't need you today son, maybe tomorrow."

$$$ spent so far = 2 PO's w/ benefits.

SP's still available for nada.
 

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We had MSP STOP team come down for a guy that was barricaded/standoff after our cops attempted to serve a restraining order, and threatened to shoot them through the door.with mutual aid and some offduty guys we set up a quick perimiter and called for the special forces. The StOP guys were great ! over the 8 hrs. we had approx. 80 or more navy blue and electric grey crusers blast into our town. they were very professional ,as was our department. The best part was when an already nurvous neighbor wanted to go home, and was giving one of the town cops a rashion about how all of this is unnessisary, and she should be able to get home bla,bla , bla... when two stop soldiers came out of the bushes silently in complete darkness 2 feet from her and scared the pants off her.
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Start throwing the "T" word and Homeboy Security around and the sexiest thing that comes to mind is having the guys from your podunk town painting their faces up in the back of the million dollar happy bus to the sound of excessive chambering of rounds. It certainly isn't beefing up your traffic division and directed patrols. Keep in mind that the most notorious domestic terrorist in U.S. history was apprehended by a hard working road guy just doing his job.

I work inside the stadium for the Pats games and for the last few weeks of the season, the MetroStar weirdos were standing around with M-16s, boonie hats (in zero degree temps), etc., lookin like a bunch of tools. I can't tell you how many media guys were asking why our guys were standing around with machine guns. Of course I made it clear that they were NOT our guys. As far as automatic rifles at a football game, I just replied, "I dunno. Maybe if someone acts up, they can mow down an entire section. You know, set an example."


These questions regarding the proliferation of regional SCAMLECs have all been answered adequately and at length on other parts of this board for at least the last year by MT1, Killjoy, rhl, jsg, thumper, Guinness, etc. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 

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Hunter said:
HousingCop said:
Gee, it seems to me that all the hollering and bitching going on about all the 'LECS throughout the Commonwealth seem to be coming from the S/P members of this fine bulletin board. How come?
I know the STOP Team has been around for a long time but don't you think these 'LECS were started for a reason? Were they started because of bad response times from the STOP Team? Did some of these police chiefs get bad service from the S/P at one point & decided to say F.U. :2up: and start their own turtle team?
I have never really had any problems with S/P members where I work but I have heard some horror stories about S/P members s#itting on local cops in the past. Maybe this is a bit of payback or some chief's way of getting back at them for a slight that may have occured decades ago.
Either way, if my ass is on the line, I don't care who the hell shows up. As long as they have an extra mag that fits my Glock, I could care less. HC

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I bet I can answer that
I'll take a stab at it.... ENVY and RESENTMENT.
The Have's vs. the Have Not's?

Perhaps those in various noble CJ agencies who have tried and failed to become SP, don't know if they will ever get a chance at SP, and/or for whatever reason are not SP, resolve themselves to this and move-on, rightfully so. However, and understandably, they then endeavor to make their respective careers as professionally satisfying as possible...(ie; create/expand Specialty Unit opportunities where once there was little or no such chance, by using new forms of funding, training, support, etc)...

Can't say that I blame anyone for wanting more out of themselves and their profession...BUT, as it has been said in other threads, AT WHOSE EXPENSE??? Taxpayers? Local LE jobs? Future SP jobs and their traditional functions/jurisdictions?

The SP members on this board have a right to take notice.

Accountability is needed. Whose watching the watchdog?
Westwood PD's misuse of grant funds is but ONE example.

The Have Not's have been given a chance to Have. This BY NO MEANS should enable them to go UNCHECKED and UNCHALLENGED.
 

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Let a non-MSP trooper wade back in........................

Save jobs! shoot the turtles!
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Hey Killjoy,

Housing Police are federally mandated to be here. Some case back in 1977 and then the forming of Investigators back in 1978. That is still our civil service title by the way. BPD or the Muni's won't be taking over any time soon.

How can the T Police put on a class which graduated earlier this month without going to the list of layed off officers first? Obviously those Springfield cops were notified of this job opening. If they chose not to accept this position with the T Police (Some did) then I have no sympathy for them. As I stated, I would travel to NYC to work to feed my family.

Boston is not the center of the universe, it's the Athens Of America, get it right next time. As you well know (You are from Scummerville) that Somerville also has a Housing Police Department and Medford formerly had one. I am not sure if they are mandated like we are.

I am sure your 2 hour commute from Medford to Springfield in a taxpayer funded car is the best alocation of resources this state has seen in quite some time. On your way back to this area, were you required to give Swifty a ride as well?

Many officers live in the towns they work. In some towns there is either a residency requirement or they lived there prior to taking the test since they needed residency preference to get hired to begin with.

You guys scream about OT when in fact there is TONS of it at Logan Airport. How about this for a scenario. They remove Troop F from the airport and replace you guys with Massport Police which are already there and in place. That will solve about 75% of your manpower shortages and OT problems and get you guys back on the highways & byways. Are we better served by a Trooper asking to open my car trunk to look for WMD's or should he be doing police work elsewhere in the Commonwealth?

Who the heck needs to see teams of 3 Troopers in full duty gear walking around with machine guns? I don't live in Tel Aviv, I live in Boston. It's a case of closing the barn door after the horse has escaped. Like I have said before, these 'LEC vehicles have been bought & paid for, we may as well use them. I don't care who's paint scheme is on them, either F&E blue or NORSTAR colors, just use them.

I am stepping down now. :sb:
 

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Talking with you is like talking to a box of rocks....well we don't get any OT from Logan anymore, unless you're in F Troop, so once again, there goes your theory. The many arrests and uncountable number of tickets I hand out to-and-from work more than justify my travel expenses. The commonwealth, in effect, gets 3 hours of patrol for free, so I guess it is a good allocation of resources.
So I guess you're getting off your soapbox now after letting this "pasty faced" trooper have it? Well, I won't be shedding any tears soon....so better luck next time.
 
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Hey Killjoy,

Housing Police are federally mandated to be here. Some case back in 1977 and then the forming of Investigators back in 1978. That is still our civil service title by the way. BPD or the Muni's won't be taking over any time soon.

How can the T Police put on a class which graduated earlier this month without going to the list of layed off officers first? Obviously those Springfield cops were notified of this job opening. If they chose not to accept this position with the T Police (Some did) then I have no sympathy for them. As I stated, I would travel to NYC to work to feed my family.

Boston is not the center of the universe, it's the Athens Of America, get it right next time. As you well know (You are from Scummerville) that Somerville also has a Housing Police Department and Medford formerly had one. I am not sure if they are mandated like we are.

I am sure your 2 hour commute from Medford to Springfield in a taxpayer funded car is the best alocation of resources this state has seen in quite some time. On your way back to this area, were you required to give Swifty a ride as well?

Many officers live in the towns they work. In some towns there is either a residency requirement or they lived there prior to taking the test since they needed residency preference to get hired to begin with.

You guys scream about OT when in fact there is TONS of it at Logan Airport. How about this for a scenario. They remove Troop F from the airport and replace you guys with Massport Police which are already there and in place. That will solve about 75% of your manpower shortages and OT problems and get you guys back on the highways & byways. Are we better served by a Trooper asking to open my car trunk to look for WMD's or should he be doing police work elsewhere in the Commonwealth?

Who the heck needs to see teams of 3 Troopers in full duty gear walking around with machine guns? I don't live in Tel Aviv, I live in Boston. It's a case of closing the barn door after the horse has escaped. Like I have said before, these 'LEC vehicles have been bought & paid for, we may as well use them. I don't care who's paint scheme is on them, either F&E blue or NORSTAR colors, just use them.

I am stepping down now. :sb:
LOL, He's from Somerville,OMG what A joke ROTFLMAO,LOL You Have to be kidding me.

WOOOW I'm surprised he talks like he's from GREEN ACRES,LOL.

WOW, serioulsy I'm laughin my ass off LOL, this guys a joke he a city kid?You would never know it This I would expect out of MT or USMC, LOL but a city boy, especially someone close by.

He must be one of G.Moisters boys breakin'em on the brain buckets,WOW I'm SHOCKED. M.Fiore would eat him alive, thats a real TROOPER as far as I'm concerned. GO MSP K-9

Hey I think he's forgotten where hes from, he a country boy now. But hey they must of stuck'm out west for a reason. AHHHH, NO common sense maybe.

Hey I'm shocked he talks like a country bitch, but yet he a Somerville boy, wow sound s like a traitor. Call in the Military tribunal

WOW, I have to ask my buddy about this nitwit,LOL I cant stop laughing,LOL,LOL ,LOL.

He's probably pissed PATS tow driver make the same $ as him,ROTFLMAO.

Actually most of those guys make more than Him,on a dailey basis,LOL Whatta dope,LOL SEE I'm telling ya they crack me up, there is something in the food they feed them at the academy,LOL seriously. there really is.

Ever see a Trooper fight or attempt to take someone down they look like schoolgirls in a wet suit. There STD of there uniform,Translation: Scared to Death to mess up there uniform,LOL. God forbid they get the CLARINO dirty,LOL.
 
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Dane:

Thank you for confirming another rumor of mine which I choose to keep in my back pocket for lack of confirmation. The OIC at the happy house on the hill announced at roll call that he spoke with the Chief of Foxboro who personnally assured him in unequivical terms that MERTOLEC will NOT go into the stadium -- only the MSP and those locals normally assigned for security. I guess we know where Chief O'Leary stands! I have a hard time blasting him though, with the Flynn lackeys putting the pressure on the locals to accept the SCAMLEC or lose out on the grant money. There's no way those pajama-clad, face-painters should have been in there. Boonie hats in 15 degree weather! I hope one of them got his secret-squirrel earpiece frozen onto his ear. Aside from a specific, credible threat against the stadium, special ops personnel should not be inside the stadium with 65,000 drunk, wild fans and machine guns -- that includes MSP STOP Team. Bad combo. Besides a few snarling K-9s and mounted units will prevent everyone except the most drunken lush from coming onto the field.

Go Pats!! And we'll see you in the Fall! METROLEC -- bring your traffic vests!!

just my opinion....

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