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McChrystal Ordered to D.C. Over White House Criticism

Discussion in 'Military News' started by kwflatbed, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. kwflatbed

    kwflatbed MassCops Angel Staff Member

    McChrystal Ordered to D.C. Over White House Criticism

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    • The top U.S. general in Afghanistan summoned back to the White House to explain comments that trashed Obama administration officials — including the president himself.
    The top U.S. war commander in Afghanistan is being called to the White House for a face-to-face meeting with President Obama after issuing an apology Tuesday for an interview in which he described the president as unprepared for their first encounter.
    In the article in this week's issue of Rolling Stone, Gen. Stanley McChrystal also said he felt betrayed and blind-sided by his diplomatic partner, Ambassador Karl Eikenberry, as he and his aides took shots at other top officials.
    McChrystal's comments are reverberating through Washington and the Pentagon after the magazine depicted him as a lone wolf on the outs with many important figures in the Obama administration.




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  2. 263FPD

    263FPD MassCops Angel

    I guess that the General should be thankful that we are not yet under the same poitical rule as the Communist Russia once was. He would have quickly found himself executed for daring to critique the Goverment.

    I am jus curious if and where Obama is building the Gulags.
     
  3. 263FPD

    263FPD MassCops Angel


    I'd say right after the inoguration.:wink_smile:
     
  4. LGriffin

    LGriffin Always Watching

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

    When I was growing up Rolling Stone was just a hippie check out rag featuring the Rocker of the months crotch or side boob. Guess they all want to shit stir now that the Gubment is clogged with their socialist pals...
     
  5. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    My new hero!
     
  6. TRPDiesel

    TRPDiesel MassCops Member

    Calling him on the carpet for speaking his mind. Glad we live in the land of the free. Great use of tax payer's dollars- Come to the principle's office cause he heard you think he is an idiot.

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  7. 263FPD

    263FPD MassCops Angel

    Yeah, Yeah The General acted "Stupidly."


    I call Beer Summit!!!!!!!
     
  8. Lost

    Lost MassCops Member

    I disagree. Who the President is does not matter- he is the Commander in Chief. What if an Army Private called a Sergeant out in a national publication? How about a Trooper bad mouthing the Colonel?

    This isn't break room bitching overheard by the wrong person- it's an interview in a major publication!
     
  9. OCKS

    OCKS Guest

    I would have to agree, The commander in chief no matter who he is, is the boss. The bottom line the way our system works is that civilians run the country not generals. If we don't like the civilians we vote them out. Gen. McCrystal should resign and write a book explaining all the facts, helping us to make a better choice.
     
  10. tsunami

    tsunami MassCops Member

    Finally someone had the courage to tell it like it is to Obama and his cronies for what they are!

    Thanks Gen: McChrystal for your service.
     
  11. jedediah1

    jedediah1 MassCops Member

    plausible deniability, except that everything he said is probably spot on...so i second his nomination by MTC
     
  12. 263FPD

    263FPD MassCops Angel




    I see your point, but....


    When POTUS has time and tome again shown to us that his actions or lack there of, are border line treason, than it is the right if not duty of a Patriot, and a military leader to voice his didain over it. Maybe Th general's wording was a little undiplomatic but he got his point across and struck a nerve, didn't he?
     
  13. MetrowestPD

    MetrowestPD MassCops Member

    I agree it is the Position of Commander-in-Chief that you must respect, and good order and discipline requires you not to berate a superior. That being said Obama made his bed, now he has to sleep in it. You can't appoint a distinguished career military man, and consistently not listen to his advice, and not expect him to be disgruntled.

    I absolutely agree with Gen. McCrystal, and believe this will benefit the country, too bad it will be at the expense of his career.
     
  14. GARDA

    GARDA Subscribing Member

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    Col. Walter E. Kurtz got off the boat too... he split from the whole effing program!

    Lucky for Gen. McChrystal that those things only happen in Hollywood... right Stanley?!

    It sure sounds to me like the General may have wanted a quick and personal exit strategy here?

    Let's face it, you can't spell "C-a-n-d-i-d-a-c-y" without being candid right?
     
  15. OfficerObie59

    OfficerObie59 Public Trough Feeder

    From what I hear, McCrystal is a soldier's soldier. And while I am no fan of speaking out of school, sometimes shit is so FUBARed, a leader has little choice left. I would hazard to guess with this administration, it was clearly th latter.

    In the end, I'm sure to a leader like McCrystal getting dressed down by a president with a demonstrated lack of regard for the military (see Memorial Day 2010 and the MOH Society's Inuguaral Ball non-appearance) can't compare in amillion years to having to look a PFC in the face and telling him he didn't do all he could to give his troops the tools they needed to complete the mission.
     
  16. HistoryHound

    HistoryHound Supporting Member

    The only problem with your suggestion is that if McChrystal writes a book, he would have to use a lot of concepts that liberals & leeches don't understand. You know things like: loyalty, courage, honor, sacrifice, truth, logic, reason, leadership, accountability, heroism, valor, etc. Those are some big words the concept of which the majority of the voting public don't understand. But if McChrystal does write a book, I will have it on pre-order.

    If obama wants to be treated like the Commander in Chief; then, he needs to start acting like one. He has shown time & time again that he doesn't know how to lead & has no respect for our military or our country. All he wants are a bunch of "yes" men. He needs to learn that a good general is like a good friend. He will tell you the truth of the matter even if you're not going to like what you hear.

    Now, I'll agree that he probably should not have chosen to air dirty laundry in public. But, you can only have your concerns fall on deaf ears so many times before you find someone who will listen. If obama was the CEO of a major corporation (let's say BP); then, McChrystal would be hailed as a whistle blowing hero.
     
  17. kwflatbed

    kwflatbed MassCops Angel Staff Member

    US general in Afghan war to see Obama over remarks (AP)

    AP - At a precarious moment in the war in Afghanistan, President Barack Obama
    prepared to hear his top war commander explain biting published complaints
    about the commander in chief and his aides. Even before their showdown,
    the White House's rebuke of Gen. Stanley McChrystal suggested it would be
    hard for him to save his job.

    My Opinion:

    As I have said before just because Obama was elected and the title
    Commander In Chief goes with the job, it does not mean he is fit to
    do the job. He is a fraud, the election was a fraud,and he is NOT my
    president nor in my opinion is he the Commander In Chief.

    If it walks and talks like a duck it's a duck.

    If it walks and talks like an ass hole it's an ass hole.

    See my signature.
     
  18. Stark1848

    Stark1848 Guest

    I'm not saying that I think it's ever "right" to talk bad about the President, especially when you're in a such a position, especially in a written article... I do agree with the General, though.
    It just pisses me off that it was (and still is) VERY accepted to bash and disrespect former President Bush.
     
  19. sgthoskins

    sgthoskins Teufelhunden

    I think Gen McCrystal was going to resign either way. He's not getting any backing from the White House, the people appointed to the region are all incompetent, and he's fighting with basically zero support from the President.

    He has had a distinguished career, he wants to make it clear that if there is a failure in AFG it's NOT because of him. It's because his hands were tied by the Administration for political reasons.

    He knew exactly what he was doing when he made the comments to Rolling Stone, letting the country know it's amateur hour in the White House. If he simply resigned and wrote a book saying Obama and Company are soup sandwiches people would just think he was a bitter retiree. Making those comments while commanding all AFG operations was a bold move, but the right one when you have no choice IMO.
     
  20. CJIS

    CJIS MassCops Member

    Unless he/she was ineligible in the first place such as being born in different nation and broke the law and became POS anyway. In this case all orders, new laws etc. would be null and void.

    Not that Obama was born elsewhere? :timebomb:
     
  21. kwflatbed

    kwflatbed MassCops Angel Staff Member

    Judgment Day: McChrystal Faces Obama Amid Firestorm

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    • Prepared to resign, top U.S. commander in Afghanistan Stanley McChrystal arrives at the White House for face-to-face meeting with President Obama.
    Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander and strategist for the Afghan war, arrived at the Pentagon Wednesday morning for the first in a series of top-level meetings where he's expected to learn whether to pocket or tender his resignation letter.
    Two military officials confirmed that the general is prepared to offer to step down over an article in which he and his aides mocked and disparaged President Obama and his national security team. McChrystal, expected to have a resignation letter in hand, is meeting first with Defense Secretary Robert Gates at the Pentagon before heading to the White House to meet one-on-one with Obama in the Oval Office and then with administration officials in the Situation Room. He faces as uncertain fate.
    "I think it's clear that the article in which he and his team appeared showed a poor -- showed poor judgment," the president said in his first comments on the matter, surrounded by members of his Cabinet at the close of their meeting on Tuesday. "But I also want to make sure that I talk to him directly before I make any final decisions."
    If not insubordination, the remarks in the Rolling Stone magazine article were at least an indirect challenge to civilian management of the war in Washington by its top military commander.

    Military leaders rarely challenge their commander in chief publicly, and when they do, consequences tend to be more severe than a scolding.
     
  22. HistoryHound

    HistoryHound Supporting Member

    I guess there is no surprise here. There was no way obama wasn't letting him resign.

    AP Source: Obama ousts Afghan commander McChrystal - Yahoo! News

     
  23. DEI8

    DEI8 Supporting Member

    To bad he couldn't have fired obama instead.
     
  24. MetrowestPD

    MetrowestPD MassCops Member

    Obama didn't oust anyone: General McChrystal went there with resignation letter in hand and Obama accepted it. The General knew this was going to be the outcome. The General threw himself on his sword.
     
  25. TRPDiesel

    TRPDiesel MassCops Member

    If that Sargeant is not listening to the productive suggestions of the Private who may be a top level advisor, or a trooper in charge of some type of special operations that the Col may have no idea about then I have no problem with them speaking their mind to a media outlet. We are kinda comparing apples to oranges here. The blurb in the first post said he called the President unprepared. Big Deal. That is probably true. The guy was in charge with Operations in Afghanistan, a rapidly changing and evolving combat area of responsibility. The General deserves to have a CIC that attentive and aware of the circumstances and complications that are affecting our service men and women in that theater.
     

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