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Residents Concerned About Stray Bullets

Video: Family Says Wife Nearly Hit By Gun Club Bullet

SCITUATE, Mass. -- A stray bullet from a Scituate gun club flew into a home this week, according to residents who live in the home.

NewsCenter 5's Jack Harper reported that the Norton family said the bullet came from the Scituate Rod and Gun Club.
"She was here less than a minute before she heard some noise from the laundry room, and the laundry room door moved open and a bunch of glass moved out from under it," Alan Norton said.

He said the 9-millimeter slug crashed through the window, just missing Margaret Norton.

"It was very close. It was less than a minute because my head was against the window. I was doing laundry," she said. "I turned around to speak to one of my children. I walked out of the room, closed the door slightly behind me, and I wasn't even half-way down the hall into the kitchen, and all of a sudden I could hear the window smash, and the glass came out from under the door."

The Scituate Rod and Gun Club is about a half-mile away from the home.

"The best that we could envision was that a ricocheted occurred shooting off of a bowling pin," said Ron Rice, of the club.

He said that the club has closed its ranges until something can be worked out with the town.

"Clearly, by removing bowling pins in this range and any hard targets that could cause ricochets would be a step in the right direction," Rice said.

Mindy Connolly lives across the street from the Nortons. She said that her house has been hit.

"I am really hoping that something is going to get done, and it is going to get done fast," she said.

"It was less than a minute that my head was against that window, and a bullet came through. I think I was shocked. I couldn't believe that it had happened again," Margaret Norton said.

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Would a 9mm even travel 1/2 mile if shot at their house?

Range of a Handgun Bullet

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Result NRA Firearms Fact Book. Yew York. Second Edition. 1983. "… a 9 mm 120 grain bullet fired out of an average sized handgun at 45 degrees elevation will travel about 2300 meters before falling." 2300 m Williams, Anthony. Basic Ballistics. Version I: 7 June 2002. "The benefit of boat-tailing at very long range can be demonstrated by two .30-06 bullets, both weighing 180 grains (11.7 g) and fired at 2,700 fps (823 m/s). At sea level, the flat-based bullet will travel a maximum of 3,800 m, the boat-tail 5,200 M." 3800 m*

5200 m* Kelly, Kenneth Sergeant. 60th Precinct, City of New York. Personal Interview. 21 May 2002. "A 9mm bullet travels around 1500 ft/s. It will travel around 2500 yards before it falls." 2300 m Carter K. Lord. Maximum Range of Ammunition. National Law Enforcement & Corrections Technology Center. January 1998. "The table below shows the average maximum range in yards of several types of popular handgun and rifle ammunition. The calculations were made for Sea Level and 72 °F. Warmer temperatures and higher elevations will significantly increase the maximum range of the bullets. [see table below]" 2200 m
 

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My question is, who was in the area first, the gun club or these homes? Didn't something like this happen to the Beagle Club (gun club) in Douglas a little while back. I think it turned out to the neighbor shot their own house to try and shut them down.
 

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remember a story going around awhile back about Braintree gun club and how a neighbor claims a round went through his window.

turns out it was one of those novelty key chain bullets. didn't stop the club from getting shut down.

now they have these huge wooden barriers above the range. of course the club was there first , people built homes near by because it was cheap and now they bitch because they live near a gun range !
 

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Would a 9mm even travel 1/2 mile if shot at their house?

"A 9mm bullet travels around 1500 ft/s. It will travel around 2500 yards before it falls." 2300 m Carter K. Lord. Maximum Range of Ammunition. National Law Enforcement & Corrections Technology Center. January 1998.
I guess you answered your own question. If you look at it objectively, these things can and will happen. if say 50,000 rounds of rifle/handgun ammo are fired annually outdoors at this range, then one or two strays every few months are not unbelievable. As a safety observer I had to stop an MPTC shoot when some rounds got close to the top of the berm during a tactical exercise. Some accidental discharges send a projectile out of bounds too. Simple thing is when these things happen, corrective actions need to be taken and life can go on.
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Scituate gun club to adopt safety measures

By Don Conkey And Kaitlin Keane
The Patriot Ledger
Posted Nov 01, 2008 @ 03:00 AM

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The president of the Scituate Rod and Gun Club said Friday the club plans to take measures to ensure no more stray bullets leave its shooting ranges.
The changes follow an incident last Saturday, when a 9 mm round flew through the window of the laundry room in Margaret Norton's home on Heritage Trail just after Norton left the room.
It was the third time a bullet has hit a house on the street in recent years. Two bullets have hit the garage door of the house across the street from Norton's since 2004.
The neighborhood is located about a half mile from the gun club's rifle and pistol range, which is off Route 3A near Henry Turner Bailey Road.
The gun club's board of directors met Thursday night "to discuss how to address the perceived problem with regard to the range," club President Ron Rice said.
"We are in the process of having plans drawn up to modify the range, and to prevent anything from leaving the range in the future," Rice said.
Those plans include extending baffle boards that block high-flying bullets to cover the entire length of the 50-yard pistol range, he said.
But Margaret Norton's husband, Alan Norton, said neighbors need to know more about the plans before they feel safe from incidents like the one that could have harmed his wife.
"Number one, my wife was almost shot in the head," he said. "But as the neighbors start talking about this, it's a much bigger issue than just what happened to us."
Alan Norton said neighbors are worried that all Scituate residents are at risk, not just those who live on Heritage Trail.
The gun club is closer to Route 3A than their cul-de-sac, and a series of hiking trails wind through the woods between their house and the gun club.
He said there are still unanswered questions about the club's safety procedures, and about the credentials of the shooter involved in last weekend's incident.
"We need to know all that before we can say the problem is fixed," he said. "I don't think this is going to be a matter of throwing up a roof and starting to shoot again next week."
Rice said the event last Saturday afternoon was a "bowling pin shoot," in which members fire at bowling pins on the 50-yard range. The bullet that went through the Nortons' window likely ricocheted off one of the pins, he said.
He said that only one member was using a 9 mm pistol at the time , but would not identify the shooter.
"We have the gun. We took a cartridge he was using, and he told me he is willing to have his gun tested, to see if it was the gun that fired the round," Rice said.
Scituate police will do ballistics tests to determine which gun fired the bullet that went through the window, Rice said.
Modifications were made to that range after the incidents with bullets hitting the garage years ago, Rice said.
Until Saturday, there had been no incidents with stray bullets since then, he said.
Experts from the Gun Owner Action league will also visit the club to determine further safety measures, and there will be no bowling pin shoots held in the future, Rice said.
Both the 50- and 100-yard shooting ranges remained closed Friday.
The 50-yard range will remain closed until the baffling system is in place, and the 100-yard range will be closed indefinitely, he said.
There have been no stray bullet issues with the 100-yard range, he said.
Rice said he empathizes with the people who live on Heritage Trail.
"No one wants to see any sort of projectile leave the shooting range," he said.
"We want to make sure that something is done to ensure safety in the future."

http://www.patriotledger.com/homepage/x1022435312/Scituate-gun-club-to-adopt-safety-measures
 

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How safe is the local gun club? Depends on who's in charge.

By Don Conkey
The Patriot Ledger
Posted Nov 03, 2008 @ 09:05 AM
Last update Nov 03, 2008 @ 09:50 AM

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An 8-year-old boy dies at a Westfield gun club when he loses control of an Uzi submachine gun and shoots himself in the head. A bullet ricochets off a target and lands a half-mile away in a Scituate house, nearly hitting a woman doing laundry.
Both recent incidents revealed the extent of state and local oversight of gun club safety: there is none.
When it comes to monitoring safety procedures at a gun club, "we're pretty much self-governing," said Richard Curtis of Hanover, president of the Old Colony Sportsmen's Association in Pembroke.
Terrel Harris, spokesman for the state Executive Office of Public Safety and Security, said the state has no power to enforce safety measures at gun clubs.
Braintree Deputy Police Chief Russell Jenkins and acting Plymouth Police Chief Michael Botieri both said police do not regularly monitor gun clubs.
"That's because there has never been a need," said Jim Wallace, a lobbyist for the Gun Owners' Action League.
Wallace said safety-related incidents at gun clubs are extremely rare.
"Shooting sports are probably the safest activity in the state of Massachusetts," he said. "If you look at accident statistics from any other activity - hiking, jogging, football - people are constantly getting hurt."
Curtis said his club has a strict set of gun-handling rules and procedures.
But, he said, the only way for residents to feel completely secure about procedures at the local gun club is to visit the club themselves, talk to officials there and see for themselves.
"Safety is up to the club itself," he said.
State law does allow towns and cities to suspend or revoke a club's license to operate a shooting range if they deem it necessary.
Curtis said a gun club generally gets recommendations and feedback from the National Rifle Association when setting up firing ranges, but after that, "we are on our own."
Last week, a stray bullet from the Scituate Rod and Gun Club struck a home on Heritage Trail. The bullet went through a laundry room window just after homeowner Margaret Norton had walked out of the room. In recent years, two other stray bullets presumed to have come from the gun club struck a neighbor's garage.
Club directors say they plan to make changes at the Scituate range to ensure that no more bullets leave the club grounds.
In September 2005, a Cohasset man fatally shot himself with a hunting rifle at the Scituate club. The Plymouth County district attorney's office ruled the death accidental.

Don Conkey is at [email protected].
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Re: How safe is the local gun club? Depends on who's in charge.

I think something is wrong at the QPL todays editorial

OUR OPINION: Spare the rod -and gun club

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Posted Nov 08, 2008 @ 02:30 AM

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We can all say with certainty that a bullet breaking a window in our house and embedding in a wall is likely an unsettling experience.
So it is understandable that residents of Heritage Trail in Scituate want some answers as to why at least three stray bullets from the nearby Scituate Rod & Gun Club have hit neighborhood houses, including just two weeks ago when a 9-mm bullet came through a window in a room Margaret Norton had just left.
But closing down gun clubs because of their proximity to homes, as some are calling for in the wake of the latest incident, is no more a resolution than shutting down Route 3A because there are car accidents.
The answer is for town residents and officials to work out compromises with members of the gun club, who have been very cooperative in dealing with the issue.
There are more than 100 shooting ranges in the state, including more than a dozen in our region. Most have been in operation for years with little notice or problem. A search of our archives found just a handful of reports of stray bullets coming from the ranges in the last 20 years, indicating the problem is isolated.
And each time, it appears local officials worked hand-in-hand with gun club members to make changes in the direction of the shooting and to heighten berms and other safety barriers to lessen the chance of a stray bullet.
Part of the problem is simply development over the years, with houses and other buildings going up closer and closer to ranges that have for decades been safely secluded from residential and business zones. Scituate Rod & Gun Club, for instance, has been an active range for nearly 70 years, acquiring additional land in 1994 to ensure a safety zone around the range.
In the wake of the latest incident, club officials shut down two of their ranges and are planning to erect baffle boards around the 50-yard range to make sure no more bullets leave the range. That sounds like a responsible neighbor trying to make sure everyone is safe.
While we have advocated for controls over automatic weapons and pushed for safety measures such as gun locks, none of those issues are in play here. We are fully supportive of an individual's right to own guns.
Rifle and pistol ranges offer a safe place for responsible gun owners to use their firearms and target practice and recreational shooting are among of the country's most popular sports. The clubs are the place many children learn to safely handle guns.
The state does not oversee shooting ranges and Scituate police and selectmen said they have no power to regulate them. That is true, to an extent. Massachusetts General Law Chapter 140 gives town meetings or town or city councils the authority to enact whatever regulations they deem necessary in exchange for a license to operate.
What we would like to see, not just in Scituate but elsewhere, is an effort by town officials, residents and representatives of the gun clubs and other organizations such as the National Rifle Association or Gun Owners' Action League to set up safety standards based on shooting direction and how far bullets from different types of firearms carry.
Those regulations can then be implemented to reassure residents all measures are being taken to cut down on accidents while allowing recreational shooters to continue their hobby in a manner that is not restrictive.
And we would also urge residents to visit their nearby rod and gun clubs, see what happens there and maybe under officials supervision, fire off a round or two. They'd be happy to oblige and it would go a long way in bringing down the barriers between neighbors who really shouldn't fear each other.

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Scituate gun club neighbors want halt to shooting

Want board to request injunction to stop shooting

By Kaitlin Keane
The Patriot Ledger
Posted Jan 03, 2009 @ 03:00 AM

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A tense battle between the Scituate Rod and Gun Club and its neighbors may be headed to court.
Residents of the Heritage Trail neighborhood, where four bullets have struck homes since 2004, say the gun club broke a promise to cease shooting until safety issues had been resolved.
They have asked selectmen to seek a court injunction to stop shooting until the 50- and 100-yard ranges are evaluated by the National Rifle Association and an independent party chosen by the town.
Club President Ron Rice agreed to close the ranges in November following an Oct. 25 incident in which a 9 mm bullet went through the laundry room window of a Heritage Trail home moments after a woman had left the room.
But residents believe club members broke that promise when they held a gun-safety course last month that included shooting firearms.
"The spirit of the agreement was that there would be no shooting other than skeet, so we are disappointed they decided to go ahead anyway," said Alan Norton, whose wife said she was almost hit by the bullet in October.
Rice said the club stayed true to the agreement, canceling several annual shooting events and shooting only at skeet, for which shotguns, not rifles or handguns, are used. The safety course was held inside enclosed portable shooting cubicles that allowed no bullets to leave, he said.
"We told them we'd keep the ranges closed, and none of the membership has fired on the range since we closed it," Rice said. "I don't see a need for (the injunction)."
Representatives from the National Rifle Association are scheduled to visit the club this weekend, he said.
Selectman Tony Vegnani said the issue will be discussed at Tuesday's selectmen meeting, but no decision about seeking an injunction has been made.
Norton said neighbors are frustrated by selectmen's response to what they believe is a town-wide safety issue.
While the majority of the bullets have hit homes in Heritage Trail, a cul-de-sac located a half-mile through the woods from the club, there have been errant bullets in other neighborhoods as well, he said.
Norton said their request, through the state public records law, for other incidents logged with the Scituate Police Department showed at least one other instance of a stray bullet hitting a nearby home.
The 2006 police report said the bullet, found at a home on Booth Hill Road, was traced to the Scituate Rod and Gun Club, he said.
"We've suffered the brunt of it, but this is a town issue," said Norton. "It's time for the selectmen to step up and recognize this as a serious public safety issue."
Selectmen have held meetings with neighbors and gun club members about the issue, resulting in the deal to cease fire until safety measures are reviewed.

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F*CK the neighbors!
These people are probably the same X-country ski and walk-the-pekinese in-the-woods types who put an end to kids riding snomobiles, four stroke machines and upland hunting throughout most of S.E. Mass in the last two decades. Remember, the outdoors belongs to them now! They even have Wal-mart selling young girls porn outfits off the rack, but can't find an NEF 20 gauge Single in the sporting goods section anymore...

OH OH! My moderate republican backside is showing again! SORRY!
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In this same town they try to harass bicyclists. They yell at them obscenities and tell them that they do not have the right to use the road. It is every exclusive club of people whom think that they live in Cohasset.
 

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could this be a case of some bored housewife cast into the spotlight ?

not attacking home makers , just seems like another cindy sheenen type that got a little attention and now leads some crusade against the evil ( fill in blank ) doers.

oh and almost forgot , it's all for the children ! :rolleyes:
 

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Selectmen will not seek injunction against Scituate gun club

By Sue Scheible
The Patriot Ledger
Posted Jan 07, 2009 @ 03:57 PM

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The selectmen Tuesday night refused to seek a court injunction against the activities of the Scituate Rod and Gun Club, despite strong opposition from neighbors of the club.
Town counsel James Toomey advised selectmen that a court injunction would not be successful because there was no proof of any imminent danger, according to Town Administrator Richard Agnew.
Residents of the Heritage Trails neighborhood had asked town officials to seek the injunction to stop shooting practice at the club, which is in a residential area.
But Agnew said after an hour and a half of discussion with the neighbors, the selectmen voted to follow the advice of town counsel.
The residents claim that four bullets from the gun club practices have struck homes in the neighborhood since 2004. They sought a court injunction to stop shooting until the 50- and 100-yard ranges are evaluated by the National Rifle Association and an independent party.
Club president Ron Rice agreed to close the ranges following an Oct. 25 incident, but then the neighbors charged the agreement was broken when shooting was done as part of a gun-safety course.
The residents also argued that the club does not have the proper building permits and violated the zoning bylaws by expanding to a nonconforming use, the shooting practice.
The club is allowed to operate in a residential area under a permit issued in the 1930s for archery, skeet shooting and fishing, but later added pistol shooting.
Agnew said that Building Commissioner Neil Duggan will rule on the zoning issues within 24 hours. His decision can be appealed to the board of zoning appeals.

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Scituate gun club told to stop using firing range

By Kaitlin Keane
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Posted Jan 09, 2009 @ 07:35 AM
Last update Jan 09, 2009 @ 08:05 AM

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The Scituate Rod and Gun Club has been ordered to stop using a firing range that was built illegally.
Building Inspector Neil Duggan said a 50-yard firing range was built on club property without the required building permit.
Aerial photographs indicate that the range was built "in the not-so-distant past," but there is no record of a permit for the construction at town hall, Duggan said.
The club's 100-yard firing range was built before current zoning laws.
Duggan also found two structures - a permanent pavilion and a temporary wooden structure built recently to house the club's gun safety course - for which building permits had not been issued.
He sent a cease-and-desist letter to club President Ron Rice on Thursday, ordering that use of the 50-yard range and the two structures be halted pending an inspection and seeking of the needed permits.
Rice said could not comment because he had not had a chance to read the letter.
The 80-year-old club has grandfathered status in the residential zoning district, but any substantial changes are prohibited unless specifically permitted under the zoning bylaw.
The addition of a firing range and a permanent structure would be considered a substantial change, so zoning board of appeals would be required, Duggan said.
Club members had already agreed to cease shooting at the club, where safety measures have been questioned since neighbors reported that several stray bullets hit their homes.
In October, a woman on Heritage Trail had just left her laundry room when a 9 mm bullet, apparently a stray shot from the club, went through through the window.
Residents of Heritage Trail, a cul-de-sac, about 800 yards through the woods from the club, have demanded that the two firing ranges be closed until the club's safety measures are re-evaluated by the National Rifle Association and an independent expert.
The club agreed, but residents say that promise was broken when a gun safety course was held in December that included the use of firearms. Club members said the temporary structure was built to keep any bullets from leaving the property.
At a meeting Tuesday, selectmen declined to seek a court injunction, as requested by the residents, to stop the club from holding another safety course. Selectmen said they declined based on advice from town counsel.
The club agreed on Thursday to cancel the upcoming course because of the zoning violations, Duggan said.
Experts from the National Rifle Association are scheduled to review the club's safety measures this weekend, Rice said

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Scituate residents seek injunction against gun club

By Kaitlin Keane
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Posted Feb 03, 2009 @ 04:50 AM
Last update Feb 03, 2009 @ 07:18 AM

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Three months after a stray bullet crashed through the window of a Heritage Trail home, residents have asked a judge to halt gunfire at the nearby Scituate Rod and Gun Club.
Fifteen plaintiffs, all residents of Heritage Trail and Clapp Road, have requested an injunction that would temporarily stop the club from using its ranges - which they believe are the source of four stray bullets that have entered their neighborhood since 2004.
"Until an injunction (is issued) the neighborhood is - literally, as defined by shooting range experts - a danger zone," attorney Daniel Dwyer wrote in the request, filed last month in Brockton Superior Court.
Because the state has no power to regulate gun clubs, there is no one to hold the club to a promise made in November: that the ranges would be closed until safety measures are evaluated by an independent expert.
Club members - who question where the bullets came from - say they have not violated that agreement, which was made after a stray 9 mm bullet tore the window of a Heritage Trail house.
The 80-year-old club is at least 800 yards through the woods from Heritage Trail.
They say a gun safety course held in December, which neighbors say violated the agreement, was conducted safely and did not endanger the neighbors.
Jeffrey DeLisi, attorney for the club, said the neighbors have exaggerated the situation.
"This isn't Fallujah; this isn't an urban gunfire zone," DeLisi said. "There may be a risk but certainly there doesn't appear to be a substantial risk."
Last month, residents asked selectmen to seek an injunction, based on the claim that the range poses a public safety issue to all residents. The range is near several school school bus stops, hiking trails and Route 3A, they said.
But selectmen denied the request on the advice of Town Counsel Jim Toomey, who said the request would not be successful because there was no proof of imminent danger.
Most recently, the club was issued a cease and desist order by Building Inspector Neil Duggan, who found that the 50-yard range and several structures had been built without permits.
The club's 100-yard firing range was built before the current residential zoning was in place. But the 50-yard range appears to have been built sometime after that without a necessary permit, Duggan said.
Club members will have to seek a special permit for the range from the zoning board of appeals.

http://www.patriotledger.com/homepage/x974093820/Residents-seek-injunction-against-gun-club
 

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The club's 100-yard firing range was built before the current residential zoning was in place.
WTF did these people think they were getting when they moved next to a gun club anyway??? The range was there first, get over it!! You bought the land, and the house, and the noise. Deal with it now and get the f*ck over it.
 

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I hope this club can manage to survive, it seems this story is getting blown way out of proportion, after they install the new baffle hopefully the town will calm down. and as for the guy crying about his wife, maybe he should realize where he lives and the fact that it is an accident.
 
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