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I have mixed feelings about these. If I was still working patrol, I'd probably like the fact that someone else had to handle these mental health calls. OTOH..... I wonder what the statistics five years out from the creation of these unarmed teams will show for injuries to the personnel, the suspect/victim, etc. I'm sure glad I don't have to work the field any more.

 

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I read that... what keeps rolling in the back of my mind is that these people REALLY have no idea even how police interactions with the mentally ill happen!
THEY'RE CALLED TO THEM!

What exactly is an unarmed social worker going to do with an EDP who grabs a knife? A bat? Or other weapon?

And how is it that all these rainbow and sunshine people think police don't have deescalation skills?
And that social workers are going to be better because they're unarmed?

As an added thought... when one of them is eviscerated by the person they're there to save do we say "well ya know, that's what they signed up for when they took that job!"
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Effing idiots.
 

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鈥淧olice approach [people] threatening to control and subdue,鈥 said the Rev. Bernadette Hickman-Maynard, president of the Essex County Community Organization and one of the RJC leaders. But 鈥渢hese people are going to have de-escalation skills, and also extensive training in racial and cultural sensitivity.

The poor mis-informed reverend must not have heard of Academy and Annual In-service training topics above LOL!!!!!!!!
 

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Just wait and see how this will 鈥渕orph into something else鈥
I鈥檒l try to condense the way it鈥檚 going to go. Feel free to add steps I may have missed馃檮

1-First they鈥檒l want police radios so they can call the police just in case the situation turns to s**t.
2-Then they鈥檒l want ballistic armor, ( 鈥漵ome extra old ones in the station) just in case the EDP gets violent.
3-Then they鈥檒l want some OC just in case so they can control the violent types.
4-Then they鈥檒l want tasers just in case the OC doesn鈥檛 work.
5-Then they鈥檒l want a uniform and a marked vehicle so they look official just in case the nosy civilians question their authority.
6-Then they鈥檒l want a firearm just in case the EDP pulls a weapon on them and they need to defend themselves.
7-Then they鈥檒l want access to union attorney just in case they get sued for doing their job.
8-Then they鈥檒l want their due process because they were only 鈥渄oing their job鈥 when they had to shoot the EDP who was attacking them, just in case they may be sent to prison.
9-Finally, they鈥檒l want to know who came up with this crazy idea to deal with the mentally ill, just in case they want to sue them.

(To all social workers: Just in case you were interested, The civil service test is given every few years.)

Just my take on yet another stupid liberal idea.
 

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I think they'll go in there thinking "I'll show those racist cops how it should be handled"
Then blame the police for:
A not backing them up, and
B not responding fast enough while they're bleeding out.

I sure hope for their own good, they make them go through SOME kind of defensive tactics training!
 

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This isn't going to end well. Beyond the points you guys have already raised there will be a high level of burnout and turnover. So they're going to end up with a revolving door of young, idealistic kids just out of college. It won't take long for these kids to realize that they can make a lot more money without putting themselves in harms way.
 

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EDPs don鈥檛 show any respect or acknowledgment to us in uniform, armed and usually at least 2 officers...what are they going to do with some bozo with a clipboard and 鈥済ender confusion IPOC basket weaving white is evil liberal arts鈥 bullshit degree?

We will get called there and clean up the mess.
 

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I know I鈥檒l be in the minority here but I don鈥檛 think this is a terrible idea albeit I don鈥檛 know all the particulars of Lynn鈥檚 plan.

My dept has civilian mental health counselors who ride with us. Honestly I鈥檇 say they are far more effective than we are at helping people/eliminating problems for the PD. They are able to section people fairly easily so it solves the issues of the EDP who refuses help and is a habitual problem.

With that said - they ride with us so it鈥檚 not the same as what鈥檚 being proposed here but I think that many of the calls we deal with could be passed off without issue. How many times do we get sent to go check on some bum begging in the road. Probably every day several times a day. If someone else could deal with and get rid of the issue I鈥檓 all for it. Most of us on patrol just don鈥檛 have the time to really fix any of these kind of issues, it鈥檚 pretty much just kicking the can down the road


For me this has nothing to do with all the blah, blah blah, racism and social justice crap but more to do with getting out of a business we could use a little help in. If it makes my job easier I鈥檓 all for it

Should they be handling domestics or Q5 calls? No, at least not alone. I know we all hate change but sometimes it is due.
 

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I know I鈥檒l be in the minority here but I don鈥檛 think this is a terrible idea albeit I don鈥檛 know all the particulars of Lynn鈥檚 plan.

My dept has civilian mental health counselors who ride with us. Honestly I鈥檇 say they are far more effective than we are at helping people/eliminating problems for the PD. They are able to section people fairly easily so it solves the issues of the EDP who refuses help and is a habitual problem.
That's just it - they ride WITH you.
They can do the Sect 12 - but who's going hands on to get them into the ambulance?

And what sho you do when the ill person grabs them and pulls out a blade?

Are they going to be able to deescalate while in peril or do you employ just (lethal) force?
 

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That's just it - they ride WITH you.
They can do the Sect 12 - but who's going hands on to get them into the ambulance?

And what sho you do when the ill person grabs them and pulls out a blade?

Are they going to be able to deescalate while in peril or do you employ just (lethal) force?
One thing I can say with 100% certainty, my daughter has her LMHC and this is one job I wouldn't want her to take. It's bad enough when she gets assaulted by her students. She's already been sent to the hospital with a concusion after one of them started throwing things in a fit. Her husband who is trained to do restraints has been spit on, punched, kicked, etc. I can only imagine how bad it's going to be for the kids that take this job.
 

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That's just it - they ride WITH you.
They can do the Sect 12 - but who's going hands on to get them into the ambulance?

And what sho you do when the ill person grabs them and pulls out a blade?

Are they going to be able to deescalate while in peril or do you employ just (lethal) force?
jesus Sooty.....those are just details! whats important is that social justice is srved
 

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Or do what Boston just did. New SOP on section 12's, seek voluntary compliance, no handcuffs, no force. If they refuse to go.......... wait for it.......... disengage (leave) and try again later.

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