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Has anyone had an absolutely absurd polygraph test with the federal government?
Lie detector
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8 hours long and then at the end have an hour interrogation trying to get you to confess to felonies and heavy drug use since you "failed" the test
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Its definitely being used as an excuse to not hire people. How else do they get rid of 90% of candidates for different federal agencies
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Years ago I got a "referral" from a PD out of state that told me that a person in my town may have committed certain serious crimes. The PD told me who the person was and what the crime was but told me that the agreement they had with the unnamed agency who told them about it prevented them from giving any specifics. They would not tell me what agency it was.
A simple Google search revealed what major federal agency was based in their jurisdiction so that wasn't hard to figure out. We ended up interviewing the "suspect". The suspect told us that as part of the pre-employment screening for a federal agency, a lie detector and subsequent interrogation went on for a couple of days. The suspect told us that they got so worn down that they admitted that they may have committed serious crimes which the person told us was absolutely false. We investigated and came to the conclusion that absolutely nothing happened.
A simple Google search revealed what major federal agency was based in their jurisdiction so that wasn't hard to figure out. We ended up interviewing the "suspect". The suspect told us that as part of the pre-employment screening for a federal agency, a lie detector and subsequent interrogation went on for a couple of days. The suspect told us that they got so worn down that they admitted that they may have committed serious crimes which the person told us was absolutely false. We investigated and came to the conclusion that absolutely nothing happened.
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I'm not the least bit shocked at that. Its almost like they have the money to interview but not to hire so while they have you there they will try to coerce a confession out of you because they get nothing out of passing you
I would bet very good money that if I went into it and said I was a cis-gender/pansexual i'd be hired right now.
I would bet very good money that if I went into it and said I was a cis-gender/pansexual i'd be hired right now.
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Once I was asked to attend the polygraph course - it was like three months, in Texas. I was flattered they wanted to put that kind of $$ into me, but frankly I told them I considered it bogus pseudo-science. The agency I was with used it a LOT. Talking to the examiners led me to believe they were using their position of authority to brow-beat people who didn't know about the limitations into confessing.
Yes, it certainly can be proven that the polygraph measures skin resistance, respiration, and other physical parameters. What has not been proven is a relationship between those parameters and truthfulness and/or deception.
Yes, it certainly can be proven that the polygraph measures skin resistance, respiration, and other physical parameters. What has not been proven is a relationship between those parameters and truthfulness and/or deception.
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Junk science. When I was going through the border patrol process they started poly'ing applicants and had a HUGE fail rate, like 60-70%. Same tactics were deployed I was told, so I declined and withdrew from the process.
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Its up to about 90% now. They were approved to hire 2000 agents over two years and had 200000 applicants.
They have hired about 1500 and said they can't find enough qualified candidates.
When they fail you on the lie detector you have to do a FOIA to find out why you were rejected from hiring since they don't tell you the specific reason
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To top it off they ask you questions like are the lights on in this room then follow it up with have you ever committed treason against the united states then sit there and stare at you then say well your body reacted differently to the second question.
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Believe it or not, most fail out of the hiring process, in particular the BI. People routinely fail a poly with one fed agency, take another poly and pass. The recipe for success in federal hiring is simple: higher education, status, mobility, and persistence.
As an ex-cop, I just have to laugh every time I see the polygraph mentioned in relation to fishing tournaments. Do they not realize how WORTHLESS these tests are?
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