Kerry & Bush

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TripleSeven

Discussion Starter · Sep 28, 2004

Ok, I am a supporter of Bush. I go to college and frequently the topic of the presidental candidates come up. Often i end up getting in arguments with people because its seems like sometimes i am the only Bush supporter in my classes, some people even seem discusted by this. Honestly, i don't know a great deal about Kerry, but from what i've seen, i don't like him, and I've never really minded G.W. I know this message board is pro Bush for the most part, can someone give me some fuel for my arguments why Bush is better than Kerry?

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BartA1

· #2 · Sep 28, 2004

Why is Bush better than Kerry?

The first thing that comes to mind is the ability to make a decision. Since John Kerry became the lead rabid dog in the demorat race. The man never makes a decision. Case in point was the Fundraising thing before the DNC. The demorat was not gonna take the nomination because Bush would have got his nomination later and he wanted to be able to spend money in the same period as GWB. The man could not make a decision what to do so he threw it out there saw what the public thought and then made the decision. The USA is not in a position where this way of decision making can work. Whatever your opinion of the war maybe President Bush made a decision. That is what a president does makes tough decisions and Kerry has proven time and time again he cannot make a decision. Kerry has stood in the senate and voted against measure after measure to help the troops in Iraq fight. He has said NO to weapons, equipment and body armor, but he says YES to BOTOX and THEREZA. Sorry but not a guy I would entrust with the safety and security of my country in this post 9/11 era

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SOT

· #3 · Sep 28, 2004

'nuff said

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MVS

· #4 · Sep 28, 2004

My point:

" Kerry is a "flip-flop", for christ sakes, he didn't even know if he wanted to be president "

Total lack of decision making ability... a yes today is a No tomorrow. He cannot and has not kept his view straight... Kerry can't even decide if he wants to wipe his ass after he... well you get the picture...

Channy1984

· #5 · Sep 28, 2004

My friend who walks around with a Bush Cheney 04 shirt said something to me that I think is actually true. People only vote for Kerry because they dont like Bush. This guy has people come up to him asking "why are you voting for Bush" and when he asks the same about why they vote for kerry he gets that response more than half the time without any logical backing.

TripleSeven

Discussion Starter · #6 · Sep 29, 2004

SOT_II @ Tue Sep 28 said:
'nuff said

haha... maybe that pic is enough to persuade some Kerry voters into voting for GW! :lol:

dcs2244

· #7 · Sep 29, 2004

A reason? How about John Kerry is a self-serving-flip-flopping-self-aggrandizing-plastic-married-to-a-harpy bolshevik? 8)

Sorry, you said you were in school: a bolshevik is a follower of Lenin that helped overthrow the Czar (after which they murdered him, his wife and children...kinda like modern day adherents of a religion which shall remain nameless, but starts with an I and ends with slam...)

nixon3535

· #8 · Sep 29, 2004

i mean granted, i dont agree with a lot of stuff about bush like giving something like 400 million to NASA when there are no people with health care and a lot of this outsourcing stuff, but honestly, when you watch Bush answer a question he's direct, confident in what he says. one thing you can say is that bush has an ACTUAL vision, Kerry listens to wha the polls say. id rather have a president who wont go on polls like clinton did. you can also say, in the senate kerry has voted AGAINST so may intelligence and defense budgets, voted against giving billions to the war he SUPPORTED. i dont know how bush can prepare for his debate, kerry has given so many asnwers to so many diferent things.

Posted Wed Sep 29, 15:38:

one more thing, we NEED a third party. we need a party kinda with rebublican ideals that wont tax the hell out of us, but wont be so big business and a democrat side that will represent the working man( like FDR did) more and not these dumb federal judges and wont represent stupid people like mike moore, clintons, etc....time for reform.

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thumper2168

· #9 · Oct 1, 2004

What pisses me off is when Kerry falls he blames the USSS agent beside him and then when he throws a ball short of a Desert Storm veteran on the openeing picth he points to him and told him he should of caught it.... idiot, I'll write in McCain again

mkpnt

· #10 · Oct 1, 2004

EMcNeice @ Tue Sep 28 said:
Ok, I am a supporter of Bush. I go to college and frequently the topic of the presidental candidates come up. Often i end up getting in arguments with people because its seems like sometimes i am the only Bush supporter in my classes, some people even seem discusted by this. Honestly, i don't know a great deal about Kerry, but from what i've seen, i don't like him, and I've never really minded G.W. I know this message board is pro Bush for the most part, can someone give me some fuel for my arguments why Bush is better than Kerry?

Kerry has stated he would only take military action if it was approved by the U.N.
Do we really want to rely on the U.N. when our lives are at stake???? No. I want a President that will tell the U.N. "This is what I'm doing, like it or not!" Bush is that guy. Our people could be dying and Kerry would be begging the French for permission to defend us. (The same French that would be speaking German if not for us.) Why should we need permission from an organization that needs us for our military muscle, not the other way around.

MVS

· #11 · Oct 1, 2004

granted the Democratic party is not always the favorite amongst LE folks.... But Kerry really is a piss poor choice for a candidate... my wife and I "debate" at home all the time, she's for Kerry :roll: [-X =; My biggest statements are "he doesn't even know if he wants to be prez or not" and "They couldn't pick a better candidate?".. Her point is like 50% of the other Kerry voters "I don't like Bush" (phew!! thank god, lol :wink: ), but she cannot provide a reason other than that to vote for Kerry.... :shock:

mkpnt

· #12 · Oct 1, 2004

RPD931 @ Fri Oct 01 said:
granted the Democratic party is not always the favorite amongst LE folks.... But Kerry really is a piss poor choice for a candidate... my wife and I "debate" at home all the time, she's for Kerry :roll: [-X =; My biggest statements are "he doesn't even know if he wants to be prez or not" and "They couldn't pick a better candidate?".. Her point is like 50% of the other Kerry voters "I don't like Bush" (phew!! thank god, lol :wink: ), but she cannot provide a reason other than that to vote for Kerry.... :shock:

It seems like there isn't anyone for Kerry....Just those who will vote for him because he isn't Bush...

I'm going to vote for Bush because Pat Buchanan isn't running.

Irishpride

· #13 · Oct 1, 2004

Reasons to vote for Bush:

He has proven he willing to take aggressive measures to protect America

He basically told the UN :2up: (which has been a long time coming in my opinion)

He has been consistent in regards to the War on Terror, good or bad we've known where he stands since day one

He is a firm believer in tax cuts. If someone comes back with that "tax break for the wealthy" line explain basic Economics 101; those that make more pay more taxes, therefore they receive a bigger tax break, its not rocket science

He has taken unpopular stances on positions on issues he believes strongly in which is a mark of integrity in my book, and integrity is one of the most fundamental leadership traits.

Reasons not to vote Kerry:

He is incapable of making decisions without 1st finding out how it will affect his poll #'s

He has basically said that he would go crawling to the UN begging for support. That may make the US look pretty weak during a war

He will raise (or as he calls it "repeal") our taxes

He was been a Senator in Massachusetts for as long as he has and he has done absolutely nothing to benefit Mass. One would wager to guess that he will do nothing for the US (doing nothing is a behavior pattern for this guy)

He has serious credibility issues

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Dan H

· #14 · Oct 1, 2004

I couldn't believe that during the debate last night Kerry specifically criticized Bush's work on Homeland security and said that he would do a better job as president. Didn't Kerry go out of his way to leave the campaign trail to vote against the bill allowing LEO's to carry concealed state to state? He has also been a speedbump for allowing extra funding of the war, then criticizes the president because are troops are driving around in HUMVEES that don't have enough armour.
And how they hell can Kerry keep playing on his military service when the guy doesn't know how to handle a damn firearm? Who believes and empty promise from him like he will win the war in Irag and says that the troops will also be back in 6months. Logistically how long would it take to withdraw all the troops starting tomorrow? I would guess maybe 3 months, so that leaves Superman Kerry 3 months to win the war. Sweet, I'll vote for the ignorant man spouting empty promises, right!

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TripleSeven

Discussion Starter · #15 · Oct 2, 2004

Thanks for all the replies. Just wanted to get some other point of views. I have plenty of ammo for my political debates now! 8)

dcs2244

· #16 · Oct 2, 2004

I believe that Mr. Kerry is motivated by two things: money and power. He has sought power all his life, the ultimate goal of which is the presidency. Further, his two 'marriages' were to rich women...not a bad idea, but I doubt his sincerity in either relationship. The first ended in divorce ( STOP. I do not mean to suggest that all people who are divorced were insincere in their commitment to marriage...), and just look at the second: a nasty hag who goes out of her way NOT to be seen with him...he actually had to pull her onto the stage the other night. I think at least one marriage was of 'convenience'. Guess which one.

In any event, is this the kind of person we want as leader (Mr. Kerry, like most democrats, would likely see himself as 'ruler', as we're too stupid to run our own lives...they'll run them for us :x )? Just an opinion, but food for thought. 8)

If you want more ammo:

National Review
PO Box 667
Mount Morris, IL 61054-7529

one year subscription: 29.50 (published biweekly)

or goto www.nationalreview.com

or subscription department: (815)734-1232

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KozmoKramer

· #17 · Oct 2, 2004

RPD931 @ Fri Oct 01 said:
...Her point is like 50% of the other Kerry voters "I don't like Bush" (phew!! thank god, lol :wink: ), but she cannot provide a reason other than that to vote for Kerry.... :shock:

RPD - then encourage her to throw a vote for Nader... :wink:

Posted Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:33 pm:

dcs2244 @ Sat Oct 02 said:
If you want more ammo:

National Review
PO Box 667
Mount Morris, IL 61054-7529

one year subscription: 29.50 (published biweekly)

or goto www.nationalreview.com

or subscription department: (815)734-1232

DCS - I knew your had to be a fellow WFB disciple...

dcs2244

· #18 · Oct 2, 2004

Amen, brother! There are other good mags out there, but I think NR is the best.

Check out the Washington Times National Weekly Edition: excellent editorials, cartoons and the letters section won't make you puke! Also, Wes Pruden's column hit's the nail on the head every time! (Their cartoonist's depiction of Bill Clinton shows BC with a bra hanging out of his pocket. The John Kerry depiction has a 'string of ears' hanging out of his pocket!) 8)

G

· #19 · Oct 3, 2004

OK I don't like either candidate. But sense we have plenty of pro-Bush writing, here is some of what the Kerry people are saying. Bush is the first president to loose jobs in 70 years. Also Bush has said that American jobs going over seas is good for our economy. That the Bush administration misled the american people by telling them that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and connections to Al-Queda. neither have been proved. Also Bush does not support stem cell research. Like I said I don't like either one.
What is Really scary is if/when Kerry losses get ready for "HILLARY in 08"

dcs2244

· #20 · Oct 3, 2004

Lance,

Forgive the brevity of this post...I had prepared a detailed rebuttal of those views, however, I lost the post (I was 'signed-off'...yes, I did copy it to the clip board...but that's another story :x )

1. Naturally, 9-11 did not exacerbate the recession that Mr. Bush inherited from Mr. Clinton.

2. Out-sourcing is due to a lack of qualified people in the domestic labor pool. Further, some groups of american workers have priced themselves out of the market. Labor costs will level off amongst different markets over time: it just may not be 'fast enough' for some people, but it will happen (read Human Action, by Ludwig Von Mises).

3. The Bush administration did not mislead or lie to anyone. The intelligence services of many nations thought that SH had WMD.

4. There are seventy stem cell lines available for research...very few of those are being used at this time. Mr. Bush stated that he will not authorize any additional lines (in addition to the 70). In any event, researchers have indicated that any commercially useful products are decades away...we're not even close.

Vote for the least dangerous...GWB...at least he took the fight to them.

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