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Has anyone had experience with International Drivers Licenses? There restrictions, how long they are good for, or if they are considered valid licenses in Massachusetts?
 
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Ahh international drivers license those things I think there good for eternity, they never expire they are good for life, they also have a dual purpose there great in emergency's like when you go camping and and you shit in the woods and forgot the TP. :L:

Or they make a great novelty gift for the foriegn traveler to bring back home instead of one of those "all I got was this lousy T-shirt T-shirts. :L:


Not to be sarcastic but there worthless.
 

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Internation Driver's Licenses have been discussed here at length in the past. You should try doing a search. In summary, They are good only for toilet paper. They are meaningless unless the operator has a valid license from his own country, and that country must be recognized by our registry. There is a list of these countries someplace (sorry I don't know where). Generally speaking, dirt-bags will try to pass these off as a legit license. You would be suprised how many guys just scratch their heads, and hand the paper back and say, please slow down, have a nice day. I once got one that had 7 or 8 violations written on the back of it! The bottom line is, if someone hands you an International Driver's License, but does not have a valid license elsewhere, lock em up, and or cite them for 90/10. Also, an out-of-state operator with no license IN POSESSION can be arrested under 90/10. Hope this answers your question.
 

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Internation Driver's Licenses have been discussed here at length in the past. You should try doing a search. In summary, They are good only for toilet paper. They are meaningless unless the operator has a valid license from his own country, and that country must be recognized by our registry. There is a list of these countries someplace (sorry I don't know where). Generally speaking, dirt-bags will try to pass these off as a legit license. You would be suprised how many guys just scratch their heads, and hand the paper back and say, please slow down, have a nice day. I once got one that had 7 or 8 violations written on the back of it! The bottom line is, if someone hands you an International Driver's License, but does not have a valid license elsewhere, lock em up, and or cite them for 90/10. Also, an out-of-state operator with no license IN POSESSION can be arrested under 90/10. Hope this answers your question.
This Officer (Harley387) is a gentleman and scholar. I could not have said it better myself. The foreign licence from a recognized country is good for a year to drive here in go old Assachusetts. Mind you a license from another US state is only good for 30 days to drive here in the peoples republic of Ass. What drunk liberal politician thought this up, we will never know. HUMMMMM let see which one has more credibility a New Hampshire license or an Saudi Arabian license? PS Mazz I use to be one of those officers who Harley describes as scratching my head and say have a nice day but now I know from trial and error I just tow and cite them for 90/10 (I only file a criminal complaint and not an arrest just in case the license is legit so I wont be accused of false arrest) Good Luck!! :L:
 

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Everytime someone has handed me an International drivers license I tell them that they should take this and throw it away b/c it is no good.

I know they can drive on a license from another country for a year, but if they have gotten a vehicle registered in Mass then I would say that they have taken up residency here. 90/10.
 

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IDL or not they mean absolutely nothing in MA. If they have a license from their country then if they are visiting this country they can drive for a year. Once residency takes place then they must get a license. I stopped a guy with for some ch90 violations, the guy claimed he spoke no english, he handed me a mass ID card, a international drivers license and a de Brazillia license. The vehicle was registered to him. Guess what hombre watch your car get hooked up to the tow truck and here is your cite for 90/10.
 

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If the car is registered to the driver in question who is driving on a foreign license and it is registered in Massachusetts. Bingo as far as I am concern the established residency. Tow and cite 90/10.
 

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If the car is registered to the driver in question who is driving on a foreign license and it is registered in Massachusetts. Bingo as far as I am concern the established residency. Tow and cite 90/10.
"This has 'International Incident' written all over it!" :L: :L: :L:
 

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Another trick to the trade is if you stop a foreign license holder and the MV is registered to him/her look at the plates on the car if they are
Mass PAN plates
Green Plates example 123-ABC these plates were last issued in the late 1980s
Red Plates example 123-4AB these plates were last issued in the early 1990s
Red Plates example 1234-AB these plates were last issued approximately a year and half ago

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If they have the most recent Red Plates example 12A-B34 look at the registration sticker to see how long they have registered the car or owned the plate thus far.

This will only work if the operator is the owner of said vehicle
Remember this is not fool proof but it may help you in articulating why you cited the individual for 90/10. It will tell the court that said individual has registered car/s for over a 1 year period and has been driving on a foreign license during this time.
 

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Harley387 said:
Internation Driver's Licenses have been discussed here at length in the past. You should try doing a search. In summary, They are good only for toilet paper. They are meaningless unless the operator has a valid license from his own country, and that country must be recognized by our registry. There is a list of these countries someplace (sorry I don't know where). Generally speaking, dirt-bags will try to pass these off as a legit license. You would be suprised how many guys just scratch their heads, and hand the paper back and say, please slow down, have a nice day. I once got one that had 7 or 8 violations written on the back of it! The bottom line is, if someone hands you an International Driver's License, but does not have a valid license elsewhere, lock em up, and or cite them for 90/10. Also, an out-of-state operator with no license IN POSESSION can be arrested under 90/10. Hope this answers your question.
This Officer (Harley387) is a gentleman and scholar. I could not have said it better myself. :L:
Why, thank you. I have been called lots of things in my time, but this is a first. LOL!
 

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PS Mazz I use to be one of those officers who Harley describes as scratching my head and say have a nice day but now I know from trial and error I just tow and cite them for 90/10 (I only file a criminal complaint and not an arrest just in case the license is legit so I wont be accused of false arrest) Good Luck!! :L:
You'd summons for this when on another thread you advocate arresting for operating to endanger when coupled with 90-18 as a breach of the peace? This seems a little out of whack to me.
 

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PS Mazz I use to be one of those officers who Harley describes as scratching my head and say have a nice day but now I know from trial and error I just tow and cite them for 90/10 (I only file a criminal complaint and not an arrest just in case the license is legit so I wont be accused of false arrest) Good Luck!! :L:
You'd summons for this when on another thread you advocate arresting for operating to endanger when coupled with 90-18 as a breach of the peace? This seems a little out of whack to me.
Oh BOY :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= If you read the statement you would not be asking me this question TROUT
 

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PS Mazz I use to be one of those officers who Harley describes as scratching my head and say have a nice day but now I know from trial and error I just tow and cite them for 90/10 (I only file a criminal complaint and not an arrest just in case the license is legit so I wont be accused of false arrest) Good Luck!! :L:
["DFP2662"]You'd summons for this when on another thread you advocate arresting for operating to endanger when coupled with 90-18 as a breach of the peace? This seems a little out of whack to me.

["BHCCPD"]Oh BOY :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= If you read the statement you would not be asking me this question TROUT

My question was more to the point of arresting for operating to endanger and 90-18 (which was SPECIFICALLY stated as a non-arrestable criminal offense in my academy class) versus issuing a criminal summons for a subject with an obvious fake international license. I'm curious how the courts have responded to this enforcement.

For what it's worth I'd summons for the BS license, rather than arrest. Your position is contrary to both my training and experience and I was interested in why you chose the enforcement action you did (or would.) Would you care to enlighten me, or dispense more sarcasm for a fairly mundane question?
 

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My question was more to the point of arresting for operating to endanger and 90-18 (which was SPECIFICALLY stated as a non-arrestable criminal offense in my academy class) versus issuing a criminal summons for a subject with an obvious fake international license. I'm curious how the courts have responded to this enforcement

Well, yes, and no. If the operating to endanger amounts to a breach of the peace, you MAY arrest. :shifty:
 

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My question was more to the point of arresting for operating to endanger and 90-18 (which was SPECIFICALLY stated as a non-arrestable criminal offense in my academy class) versus issuing a criminal summons for a subject with an obvious fake international license. I'm curious how the courts have responded to this enforcement

Well, yes, and no. If the operating to endanger amounts to a breach of the peace, you MAY arrest. :shifty:
I am aware of that, the point is has anyone here EVER managed to get OTE to fly as a breach of the peace? It hasn't worked in any of the courts I've testified in and the DAs were less than amused. Technically legal, yes. Recommended practice...?
 

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DFP2662 wrote:
My question was more to the point of arresting for operating to endanger and 90-18 (which was SPECIFICALLY stated as a non-arrestable criminal offense in my academy class) versus issuing a criminal summons for a subject with an obvious fake international license. I'm curious how the courts have responded to this enforcement

Well, yes, and no. If the operating to endanger amounts to a breach of the peace, you MAY arrest. :shifty:
I am aware of that, the point is has anyone here EVER managed to get OTE to fly as a breach of the peace? It hasn't worked in any of the courts I've testified in and the DAs were less than amused. Technically legal, yes. Recommended practice...?
This is where your report writing skills will play a big role in court. Though I have not arrested for OTE, I am 90% certain that I could illustrate a breach of the peace to a jury.
 

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Breach of the peace is the key "condition". It would be a very fine line to arrest someone for speeding in general and arrest b/c there is a breach of the peace. Operating recklessly so as to endanger has no statutory right of arrest, but if it amounts to a breach of the peace then it could be. I would even go so far as to say you could also charge the person with Disorderly Conduct (arrestable in presence). If you had a guy in the local Stop and Shop plaza doing donuts racing around the lot on busy Saturday morning while the lot is full of pedestrians, I would go with the Disorderly, Operating recklessly. Or if you had a thickly settled residential area where children were outside playing, pedestrian traffic and someone was doing 60 mph in that area, I'm sure it could amount to a breach of the peace, given the circumstances. I think that one has to take into account everything that is occurring. Would I suggest to lock someone up for 90/17 -90/18 as a breach of the peace, hardly. But if you see someone operating in such a manner that falls into the category of disorderly conduct, and you articulate everything that is going on then you might have a good case.

I know there is a case where the court ruled that a vehicle crossing back and forth over marked lanes (civil), amounted to a breach of the peace and was disorderly conduct. Not sure of the specific case. Take into account the totality of the circumstances, use your head and write a good report. And when in doubt you can always summons.

:eek:t: I guess this post is a tad off topic as it is in the International drivers license subject. :sh:
 
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