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Funeral whackers

Discussion in 'Whacker Sightings' started by USMCTrooper, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. Lost

    Lost MassCops Member

    FWIW, I posted on this a year or so ago after a hearse moved me over with lights and sirens at a major Boston intersection. If memory serves, I got ripped apart on here for complaining.:stomp:
  2. LGriffin

    LGriffin Always Watching

    Sorry to hear. I wasn't aware of that, though I sympathize with the witch hunt for doing ones job. I've made the papers "unavailable for comment" during background while trying to get out of the Hotel California...
    Doesn't look good.
  3. grn3charlie

    grn3charlie Yeah, THAT GUY!

    If you're intimidated by the uniform it means you're up to something
  4. firefighter39

    firefighter39 Subscribing Member

    The real question that needs to be answered is just how does her cross dressing husband look in the dress?
  5. Chelan78

    Chelan78 New Member

    [be gentle, it's my first post]

    There should be "guidelines" and training requirements somewhere for the lay operator of a funeral escort vehicle to safely direct the procession through a controlled intersection, "despite any traffic control device signal to the contrary", including use of "flashing, rotating or oscillating lights as may be assigned by the registrar of motor vehicles", as provided in MGL Ch 85 s. 14A.

    I have emailed the DMV Registrar for information about what lights are currently authorized for funerals. If the lights are unauthorized, then mounting and display are illegal.

    Just my two cents as a concerned First Responder...
  6. Chelan78

    Chelan78 New Member

    Yeah, they probably skipped that chapter over there in Parking Enforcement school. Do your lace panties freeze under your skirt during the winter?

    Yes, "funeral escort" includes, but is not limited to, "law enforcement personnel", hence the term "lay operator". Thanks for your careful reading.

    Being ignorant of the recent changes in this law is nothing to be ashamed of; you are apparently in good company. The goal here should be to increase knowledge, not perpetuate ignorance because it's "too hard" to figure out the right answers, or waste everyone's time by squirting on the noobs.

    If the legislature wanted to require LEO escorts, then they probably would have changed that part of the law when they amended it last August. The Governor's Office expressed serious problems with allowing funeral directors to use special lights without needing RMV permits and without being held the same standards as law enforcement or fire and medical responders in POVs. Most, if not all, of the requested amendments were adopted in the final version.

    See, e.g., Bill S2568.

    Let's see if the RMV has come up with anything, although the statute was vague as to requiring any new "rules".
  7. grn3charlie

    grn3charlie Yeah, THAT GUY!

  8. TroutTpr

    TroutTpr MassCops Member

    If purple and white strobes/LED's are setting some of you off this 'sighting' will certainly send you over the edge (as it did with me).

    Really long story short last month I witnessed a 1997 black Chevy Tahoe, MA Hearse 313 [H313] “escorting a funeral procession”. The Tahoe had Red/Blue LEDs flashing along the front headliner, wig-wag, hide-a-way strobes in the front turn signals and reverse lamps, an amber rotator on the dash, and a siren blasting. There was no police detail. I tagged him for traveling 44MPH in a posted 30MPH, crossing double yellow, and failure to stop for a red light. The Operator (also the R.O.) informed me he’s the “City Medical Examiner which allows him to display Red/Blue lights”. He continued to tell me, on the weekends he uses the vehicle to escort funeral processions. He has no Blue/Red light permit from the RMV.

    Unfortunately I’ve been told not to pursue this matter in order to continue “A good working relationship with the City of Lowell”.
  9. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    Then 90-7E applies.

    If you're okay with working patrol for the rest of your career, then feel free to pursue it. An anonymous tip to the local paper or Mike Beaudet can always help, since sunlight is the best disinfectant.
  10. Goose

    Goose The list is long but distinguished. Staff Member

    Fortunately, I can pretty much guarantee you that a brother or sister will follow up. :thumbs_up:
  11. TroutTpr

    TroutTpr MassCops Member

    I hope one does and they PM me with the results.

    One of the many questions I have is; does this guy know someone? How does one drive like this around the down town area of Lowell [in theory every weekend] and not get any attention from all the units in the area (sector patrols, traffic units, portables, responce units, ect)?
  12. csauce777

    csauce777 Supporting Member

    Because if he's telling the truth that he's some sort of Lowell "official," the LPD guys may be told the same thing you were, to let it go.
  13. thmgrv

    thmgrv MassCops Member

    I understand and respect the concept behind using strobes in a funeral procession - it's illegal (and disrespectful) to cut into a funeral procession, and funeral homes want to eliminate any risk of confusion and even collisions by making it clear that there IS in fact a funeral procession. However: I have never in all my life not been able to distinguish a funeral procession while driving...a very long line of slow-moving vehicles with their hazards on...not too hard to pick up on. About a month ago, I was cruising down 28 and I saw a sedan come over the peak of a hill, and I immediately saw flashing strobes and quickly slowed down and began to pull over, when I realised it was in fact a funeral vehicle. I was almost rear-ended by the driver behind me and was a bit ticked off by the incident. That being said, I think if the Caddy had purple strobes, I probably would have immediately realised it was a funeral vehicle, even with the sun in my eyes.

    A number of people have said that it's illegal to use white and/or purple strobes, but I haven't seen anyone provide the specific law from the MGL...I've read the provisions on red and blue light permits before, but I know nothing about white and purple strobes. I'm curious about this from a legal standpoint and not solely an I-hate-whackers standpoint.
  14. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    Reading over your other posts, you are establishing a pattern (also known as a clue.) Its clear you have an unhealthy obsession with whacked out crown victories and you are testing the waters here with what you think you can get away with strapping on your car. Taking the "I hate these guys too, by the way do you prefer strobing or flashing lights" approach isn't fooling anybody. Ill bet a hundred bucks you have a duty belt AND an excuse why you need it.
  15. thmgrv

    thmgrv MassCops Member

    Hm...I saw a 'traffic management' company with corner strobes on their trucks. If they're contracted by the state, do they fall under the 'protected' entities in Section 7?
  16. cc3915

    cc3915 MassCops Angel Staff Member

    They were probably responding to a "scene". :rolleyes:
  17. Gil

    Gil Founder of MassCops Staff Member

    Responding to a SD at 2230 with all the bells and whistles is fine by me if it gets me to clear the call faster. I hate sitting there with the family and the descendent in the same house, no matter how many I go to it's always awkward...
  18. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    I don't mind babysitting SD' long as I'm there, I can't get sent to a call that results in an hour-plus cluster report.
  19. Gil

    Gil Founder of MassCops Staff Member

    Oh if that's the deal I am sure you might know someone who would be interested in a little party crashing ;)
  20. I guess you really don't know what it is like to have someone come plowing into the side of the hearse while in a funeral procession, and then try to blame the hell out of you. So don't give me the bs about the hearse being a car that stands out. People don't give a sh** if it's a funeral or not.
  21. Goose

    Goose The list is long but distinguished. Staff Member

    Does the hearse no longer lead the procession in the world you live in? People wouldn't be any more likely to "come plowing into the side of the hearse" than any other car if you obeyed traffic laws.

    Yes, the law allows the PROCESSION to drive through red lights IF the procession is already in the intersection when the light turns red.

    Are you trying to run code with purple strobe lights and blow through red lights? FAIL.

    If you want to start the procession through a red light, hire police officers to direct traffic for you.
  22. niteowl1970

    niteowl1970 Moderator Staff Member

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  23. Johnny Law

    Johnny Law Nemo me impune lacessit Staff Member

    I thought this thread was.....dead? **raises one eyebrow and puts little finger to mouth**

  24. Johnny Law

    Johnny Law Nemo me impune lacessit Staff Member

    LOL, too much sugar in your coffee?
  25. The Undertaker

    The Undertaker New Member

    Ok USMC Trooper...We'll remember your cooperation when we comp the funeral of a peace officer killed in the line of duty. We ARE allowed to stop, control, and direct traffic; we have the right of way. We'll stick to our windshield decals/flags when you go back to cars without computers, revolvers, 12k/year in salary, and a single gumball roof light. With the advent of daytime headlights, funeral processions are hard to distinguish from regular traffic. I thought you people were for doing what you can to enhance traffic safety- not criticize and impede it. Rethink you position the next time you're investigating a fatal 10-50 in a funeral procession because someone didn't yield. Once the hearse passes through an intersection is where the danger begins- hence the need for our lights and blocking intersections. Go recite your oath rather than figuring out where to get the best half-price coffee.

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