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Sounds like this guy was a flaming a**hole.
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By Erica Noonan, Globe Staff, 3/14/2004

A Needham fire captain accused of assaulting a Needham police offcer during the arrest of the captain's son has filed a criminal complaint of his own, contending that he was manhandled and spit upon by police offcers during the incident.

The complaint against Needham police offcers Shawn Ryan and Loren Stead, filed in Dedham District Court last week, alleges that the officers grabbed Captain William Byrnes, threw him to the ground, and kneed him in the back of the head.

An attorney for Needham's police union called the complaint `nonsense.'

`This is an attempt by Captain Byrnes to create some leverage on his own behalf and wage a public relations campaign," said Brian Rogal, who represents Ryan and Stead.

`He is embarrassed by his own conduct and is trying to claim that the police officers did something wrong."

The Feb. 10 scuffe on Ellis Street started after Ryan pulled over 20-year-old Timothy Byrnes and a friend on suspicion of marijuana possession. The younger Byrnes initially refused to be handcuffed and used his cellphone to call his father, who arrived at the scene in a Fire Department pickup truck.

The elder Byrnes and Ryan argued about the fate of the Byrnes family Honda sedan, which contained a small amount of marijuana and was still being searched, according to police reports.

Police said that when Ryan tried to block Byrnes from entering the car, the fire captain shoved the officer out of the way. Both men fell to the pavement, fighting, and Stead eventually helped Ryan subdue and handcuff Byrnes. But Byrnes says that he only approached the car to see if his son was inside, and that Ryan and Stead escalated the situation.

Ryan grabbed Byrnes while Stead elbowed him in the jaw, the captain said. The officers then allegedly forced Byrnes to the ground and wrenched his arm backward.

"I yelled that my arm couldn't go back any further, that I'm a 58-year-old man and my arm wouldn't bend any more," Byrnes wrote in his own account of the fight. "They cuffed both hands behind my back as tight as the cuffs would go, while forcing my head into the asphalt.

"I kept yelling that I have never been humiliated or treated like this in my life, it's a disgrace. . . . Ofgcer Ryan told me to act like a [expletive] man."

`Captain Byrnes had no business being on the scene, and no business interfering with the police offcers. No one has the right to come down and get in the way of police business," Rogal said.

Needham's Board of Selectmen has asked Town Administrator Kate Fitzpatrick to conduct a formal investigation into the incident. She said a civil service hearing on the matter would probably be scheduled within the next two weeks.
 

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What a beaut! Brian Rogal will sort-out Captain Crunch...he doesn't miss a trick! 8)
 

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`Captain Byrnes had no business being on the scene, and no business interfering with the police officers. No one has the right to come down and get in the way of police business," Rogal said.


enough said.
 

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Quick! Call daddee on the cell-phone, you've been a bad boy again, ooops
looks like daddee is a bad boy too!
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Don't you just love when you make a stop and by the time you approach, they're on the cell to mommy or their lawyer!
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I would like to see the police report on this before I make an opinion but as a fellow police officer I definitely take the police's version. Just the fact that the Capt arrived on the scene is enough to say the Capt was asking for trouble and it looks like he got it.
Not to get off the topic but we had a student under arrest a few years ago for malicious destruction of property and disorderly conduct. The student called his father on his cell phone who was a trial court officer in roxbury court and the father came down and it got ugly. The father acted like the Needham fire capt interfering with the arrest ect.. Finally we told him if you don't get out of our faces we will lock you up too. Some people think they live above the law especially public employees.
 

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What the story didn't say was that Capt. Byrne (and I use that term loosely) was on duty at the firehouse when his son called. If you're gonna play the game, you better know the rules.
 

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The younger Byrnes initially refused to be handcuffed and used his cellphone to call his father, who arrived at the scene in a Fire Department pickup truck.
I am curious as to why the arrestee was allowed to decide if he would like to be handcuffed or not...

Based on the way the article reads, I think using reasonable force and effecting the arrest may have prevented the son from having the opportunity to cry to daddy to begin with. Hook him up and let him call from the booking room.
 

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ntvs said:
`Captain Byrnes had no business being on the scene, and no business interfering with the police officers. No one has the right to come down and get in the way of police business," Rogal said.

enough said.
DITTO. I dont tell you how to put out grease fires sparky, dont tell me how to arrest :roll:
 

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Would it shock anyone to know that Needham Fire Chief is supporting the police officer's actions? Well he is.

"You heard here, my dear readers. Off the record, on the QT, and always
hush-hush." Danny Devito 'LA Confidential'
 

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What disgrace to firefighters!!!! A Captain no less!!!
 
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I had a virutally indentical situation happend at zero-dark-thirty several years ago. 17 yo son borrows(steals) dad's red firebird and all daddy's beer out of the fridge and goes joyriding down Route 95 with three friends. I see the 'bird at Mach 3 and try to stop it. Needless to say, the chase is on. Off the highway, down counrty roads, onto cow paths then into Mr. Stonewall. Bail-out and when K-9 arrrives, sonny decides to give himself up. We rush over to cuff sonny-boy, but wait! Here comes daddy running full speed at me and screaming to leave his poor son alone. Just in the nick of time, 280lbs of trooper stiff arms him to the ground. Click-click. The scene was ugly and got even uglier at the barracks, court the next morning and at trial several months later. Fortunately, the dad of the year never filed any complaints, but it was an UGLY affair nonetheless.

Beware of criminals fathers.............

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What are the chances that Capt. Byrnes couldn't pass the police exam 20 years ago and is still pissed about setteling for a fire job? :D
 

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VAP1773 said:
What are the chances that Capt. Byrnes couldn't pass the police exam 20 years ago and is still pissed about setteling for a fire job? :D
Ouuuuuch! AND Snap! :shock:
 

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MT1 said hit the nail right on the head. We don't pass the "Fire Line Do not Cross" tape and start consulting with the CHief/OIC and telling him how to fight the fire. Shame on the Captain!! I know he may have :roll: had good intentions trying see if his son was OK as any father would. However being a FF and being the nature of the beast were we do work so closely at times together he should have known that the officers were trying to protect themselves and any possible evidence they may have had. I also agree with what the the NPD union has to say. I think the Captin realized he messed up big time and know is trying to make up for it by saying the NPD officers on scene mistreated him. Its probablly going to be a tough go at for a while considering that both departments share the same building. Oh well guess we'll have to see how this whole thing plays out. Just currious to see if their will be any ivestigation as to why the Captain left his post during the shift leaving a fire truck possibly out of service and not able to respond to any calls?
 

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As a Fire Lieutenant the actions of Captain Bryne disgust me to say the least. This Captain has disgraced the fire service, his department, and shows that he may lack the skills to lead. I could go on but I think members on this board have just about covered all of the facts.

The bottom line is his action cannot be justified and this Fire Captain was wrong, but is this comment listed below necessary?

What are the chances that Capt. Byrnes couldn't pass the police exam 20 years ago and is still pissed about setteling for a fire job?
 

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What isn't nessary? Arson Lt.'s reply? I work with him, he's also a cop at our P.D.. and a hell of a good one too. Knows his shit and very very knowledgable, and I'm proud tpo stand side by side with him on any day. So I'd think before I speak with out knowing who your talking about.
 

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kdk, I believe VAP was referring to the quoted portion of ArsonLT's reply, where he asked about the necessity of the comment about the Captain not getting a police job.

Not to pick on you kdk, but take a deep breath and re-read what you are replying to before getting all fired up... your blood pressure thanks you!

-Mike
 

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This is seriously the problem with this younger generation today ( god i sound old) Their parents don't allow them to accept any responsability for their actions or their own..No wonder so many of these kids are turning into A Holes..If a Police Officer showed up scene to intefere with an arrest it would be front page news....This captian should be fired
 
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