DYS no respect

southwick34 said:

DYSguy, you should change your screen name to sensitive sally. To work in Plymouth you need to have alligator skin. After the rebuttle you wrote looks like you are as sensitive as one of those clinicians. Get a grip it's an online talk. "If they anger you they control you!" A DYS Clinican told me that!!!!
Instead of singing to the choir have you ever thought about redirecting your feelings to the State House or the Union or your Legislator??

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LMAO thanx southwick I'll try to remember that. It's not the kids that do it. That does sound like a clinician though. As far as redirecting yes "WE" have contacted the union haven't thought of legislator though. I heard from the DYS commisioner herself (Jane Tewksbury) that she is sitting down with our Union at the end of the year. The "direct care" staff have been without contract since June "06! not that it will probably go anywhere from what vets of the program tell me. I'll take your advice though, the best I've probably heard so far "contacting legislator" I think personally it is the way DYS is listed under Human Services & Mental Health. Again I see guys posting here like I'm talking about myself and respect(they are missing the point) Nowhere in this thread have I said " I or me" as far as respect goes. Why would someone come on here asking for someone to respect them as indivuals? They would know nothing about me or the way I preform my duties. I was more curious as the duties and jobs "WE" hold/preform as a "group" *PLEASE NOTICE* the quotations. Why "WE" weren't respected more by the law enforcement community.
Yes I have responded to some of the replys on 1st hand basis, but that is because I can only respond by personal exp.
So AGAIN I ask ppl to READ closely to what I am trying to get across. THIS IS AS A GROUP NOT PERSONALLY!!!!!

DYSguy said:

LMAO thanx southwick I'll try to remember that. It's not the kids that do it. That does sound like a clinician though. As far as redirecting yes "WE" have contacted the union haven't thought of legislator though. I heard from the DYS commisioner herself (Jane Tewksbury) that she is sitting down with our Union at the end of the year. The "direct care" staff have been without contract since June "06! not that it will probably go anywhere from what vets of the program tell me. I'll take your advice though, the best I've probably heard so far "contacting legislator" I think personally it is the way DYS is listed under Human Services & Mental Health. Again I see guys posting here like I'm talking about myself and respect(they are missing the point) Nowhere in this thread have I said " I or me" as far as respect goes. Why would someone come on here asking for someone to respect them as indivuals? They would know nothing about me or the way I preform my duties. I was more curious as the duties and jobs "WE" hold/preform as a "group" *PLEASE NOTICE* the quotations. Why "WE" weren't respected more by the law enforcement community.
Yes I have responded to some of the replys on 1st hand basis, but that is because I can only respond by personal exp.
So AGAIN I ask ppl to READ closely to what I am trying to get across. THIS IS AS A GROUP NOT PERSONALLY!!!!!

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Responding with previous experience as a DYS staff member in Plymouth, and as a current police officer, I think it has less to do with being listed as Human Services, and more to do with how the agency requires the "residents" to be treated. The fact is that DYS units hold violent criminals that the agency demands be treated like "kids." What many people dont know is that DYS can and does hold "kids" until they are 21. Often once they are 18 they are shipped to DOC to do their time. But dont let their age fool you, many of these "kids" are gang members who would assault staff or other residents any time they get a chance. They are far from the innocent misled youth that the agency would have the public believe they are. They are violent, manipulative criminals who should be treated as such. Only once DYS recognizes this fact and adjusts its attitude accordingly, will perceptions of the department and its staff change.

Just to better illustrate the attitudes at DYS...a staff member gets his head split open by a 6'2 185lb "kid" who's in for assault w/intent to murder or something similar. The staff member barely hears shit from the admin, and even has his sick and comp time taken when the subsequent time off was clearly workers comp. He gets a ration of shit when he calls them on it, and has to go to the union and Boston Admin to get it back.

Not a month later, a group of 3 "kids" (one of whom is being held for Murder 1) refuse to cuff up inside their cell to be escorted to booking for causing a disturbance. PCSD CERT is called and enters the unit and one 17 year old tells the CERT Lt. that he's gonna "fuck him up" if they come in the cell. After more threats, the CERT Lt. requests the MOVE team to suit up and enter the unit. All the while, these "kids" cover the cell windows with toothpaste to prevent seeing in, cover the floor with soap and water to make it slick, and arm themselves with socks filled with soap, batteries, and various other items. After the riot gear clad MOVE team arrives, these "kids" are given one more chance to comply. They in turn threaten the Lt. again. OC is introduced into the cell and the MOVE guys subsequently enter. The "kids" undeterred by the entrance of heavily armored officers with shields, fight with all they have, swinging their fists and loaded socks until they are flattened into the floor and cuffed and shackled. They are then dragged out of the unit by the MOVE team.

Do these sound like things "kids" do?? Keeping in mind the "Human Services" attitude of DYS, what do you think the response was from the Bleeding Heart DYS Upper Admin in Boston?? Poor kids?? You Betcha...

CAN I get a F' N AMEN!!! Thank you Csauce777! Oh and BTW 1 of those kids is still in that unit.. Although he tries to play down that whole situation. Believe me when I tell you there is not 1 Groupworker (juvenile CO) that wouldn't like to get out of that Human services idealism attitude that DYS has. Esp. in any of the secure units. (Plymouth just happens to be the worst)
You know what also erks me with DYS mngt. Is that even when you are going through there training seminar. which is only 80hrs (go figure) When you tell them you work in Plymouth. They tell you most of what is covered in DYS policie does not apply to us. We in Plymouth also go by DOC policie. DOC policie supercedes DYS in Plymouth in most cases.
Hopefully 1 day this will be reconized by mngt & other govering parties to adjust the payroll accordingly. So if I have to go by DOC policie Why am I listed as Human services? Now there's a question for the powers that be!
1 more thing came to mind while reading all this . This forum thread is listed under Juvenile corrections, Who do think juvenile corrections is? I'll give ya hint it starts with a D _ _