[Jrw76]

Hi... I'm a retired cop from outside of MA and have been looking to become a CPO and work at a university. I looked around the forum for an answer and couldn't find it, but I apologize if someone already went over this and/or if this isn't the right place to post this. Having said that, I was wondering how the reform bill will impact applying for an exemption from having to attend an academy and being granted SSPO status by MSP? I saw a memo put out by MSP last April outlining all of the different ways to become a SSPO and I didn't know if the reform bill will affect any of that, and if so, what part(s)? Thanks in advance!

 

[j809]

Yes all Campus cops will fall under POST as well. It is not known yet how this will play out


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[Jrw76]

Yes all Campus cops will fall under POST as well. It is not known yet how this will play out

Thanks for the reply. So even though they'll fall under POST, they're still currently being appointed? I know the R/I academies have been put on hold moving forward (at least that's what I've been told).

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[CarbonFiber]

Hi... I'm a retired cop from outside of MA and have been looking to become a CPO and work at a university. I looked around the forum for an answer and couldn't find it, but I apologize if someone already went over this and/or if this isn't the right place to post this. Having said that, I was wondering how the reform bill will impact applying for an exemption from having to attend an academy and being granted SSPO status by MSP? I saw a memo put out by MSP last April outlining all of the different ways to become a SSPO and I didn't know if the reform bill will affect any of that, and if so, what part(s)? Thanks in advance!

Jrw76,
Where were you a LEO? Were you fulltime & did you graduate from a full time academy? I was just granted exemption through the Certification Unit of the MA State Police for SSPO Certification. There's a required list of things you need to send to the Certification Unit and in addition, you have to have your employer, the Police Chief, sign off on the request for exemption.
You are correct, as far as the R/I Academy's, they are not being held anymore.

 

[Jrw76]

Jrw76,
Where were you a LEO? Were you fulltime & did you graduate from a full time academy? I was just granted exemption through the Certification Unit of the MA State Police for SSPO Certification. There's a required list of things you need to send to the Certification Unit and in addition, you have to have your employer, the Police Chief, sign off on the request for exemption.
You are correct, as far as the R/I Academy's, they are not being held anymore.

Hi ...thanks for responding and congratulations on getting the waiver. Yes I was a fulltime cop and went to a fulltime academy and worked in NY. Massachusetts is different than in New York in regards to different levels of police and training. Here you're either certified or you're not and it doesn't matter fulltime or part time, etc. So there has been a learning curve and I really appreciate people offering their knowledge. Do you know if MSP and MPTC operate independently of one another or does MPTC ultimately have authority over MSP making people SSPOs?

 

[mpd61]

Hi ...thanks for responding and congratulations on getting the waiver. Yes I was a fulltime cop and went to a fulltime academy and worked in NY. Massachusetts is different than in New York in regards to different levels of police and training. Here you're either certified or you're not and it doesn't matter fulltime or part time, etc. So there has been a learning curve and I really appreciate people offering their knowledge. Do you know if MSP and MPTC operate independently of one another or does MPTC ultimately have authority over MSP making people SSPOs?

Oh I'll take this one!!!
MPTC currently has nothing to do with SSPO in any way shape or form. If derr kernal has any say, it will stay this way. You will probably see SSPO Academy becoming POST recognized. Ultimately it may even be up to the legislature, we are all GUESSING at this point, despite what some people are saying.............

Oh and BTW..............
FUCK SSPO

 

[RodneyFarva]

The whole point to POST to bring everyone up to a common level of training, but in typical political Massachusetts fashion its become "all police training shall do... X" (*With the exception of the state police) then it will bleed over into the DOC academy, campus cops, part-timers, then well Worcester can have its own academy and I guess Boston too. and so on until we are right back to where we are now.

 

[Jrw76]

Oh I'll take this one!!!
MPTC currently has nothing to do with SSPO in any way shape or form. If derr kernal has any say, it will stay this way. You will probably see SSPO Academy becoming POST recognized. Ultimately it may even be up to the legislature, we are all GUESSING at this point, despite what some people are saying.............

Oh and BTW..............
FUCK SSPO

Thanks for the info!

 

[EUPD377]

Of course the big question is will the new POST system grant SSPO’s chapter 90?

Also, will it affect headwear at all?

 

[Goose]

Of course the big question is will the new POST system grant SSPO's chapter 90?

Also, will it affect headwear at all?

Spoken like a true Masscopper. I love it!

 

[mpd61]

SSPO's at State Schools and DMH/DPH/DDS have had CH. 90 foreveah!!!!!

 

[Gary113]

SSPO's at State Schools and DMH/DPH/DDS have had CH. 90 foreveah!!!!!

Ch 90 for DMH/ DPH and DDS but no firearms - and probably never will be.

 

[PG1911]

How does this work for parole officers? They're sworn under SSPO, correct?

 

[j809]

I’m hearing of a bridge academy for sspo to full time coming very soon. I also hear that reserve academies will be eliminated and might have no bridge for them. Pretty reliable source so we shall see


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[CCCSD]

I’m telling you...Constables. Just go with Constables. They all get the same training: none. So it’s standardized.

 

[KPD54]

I'm telling you...Constables. Just go with Constables. They all get the same training: none. So it's standardized.

what the hell is a constable?

 

[AS4]

I personally see the reserve coming back with more hours, under a different name. I just don't see the "full time academy only or bust" model working. Maybe down the line, but not right away. At least, thats my hope. Unless they grandfather all of us currently working any type of LE in, this is going to be a giant shit show.

On a side note, if you look at what POST actually requires in other states (like texas), its not as big a deal as it sounds. In some places, its the bare minimum. Who's to say that the MPTC doesn't come out with a bunch of online training for people to do? There are just too many questions and not enough answers right now.

 

[mpd61]

I'm hearing of a bridge academy for sspo to full time coming very soon. I also hear that reserve academies will be eliminated and might have no bridge for them. Pretty reliable source so we shall see

Again,
I think everybody is indulging in sheer speculation at this point. So a bridge academy for SSPO's (campus kids) while the Reserve/Intermittent cops (municipal) get left twisting? Does that even make sense on any level? Everyone cries for standardization across the board, but that is inconsistent right out the gate. You want EVERYBODY to be certified to the same standard, You should give EVERYBODY the same chance to get to that destination and stay there.

 

[CCCSD]

And...Fuck SSPO!
You forgot that.

 

[mpd61]

And...Fuck SSPO!
You forgot that.

I apologize my friend..........................