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Carrying Firearm in Washington DC Under LEOSA

Discussion in 'Firepower!!!' started by militia_man, Jul 26, 2012.

  1. militia_man

    militia_man MassCops Member

    Does anyone have experience carrying a firearm in Washington DC under LEOSA? Or, are there any current or former DC area LEO's on this forum? Specifically, I would like to know what places to definitely avoid while carrying. My current plans of places to visit include several memorials and monuments and at least one of the Smithsonian museums. From what I have seen online, it seems like I will be okay carrying under LEOSA, but I'm worried about running into THAT GUY who is ignorant about LEOSA, or who actually takes pleasure in busting the chops of a brother LEO.
  2. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    I saw an article on this somewhere else, ill post when I get to a computer

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  3. Herrdoktor

    Herrdoktor MassCops Member

    I carry in DC every time I go there. Just talk to the front desk of the museum you want to go into and they will advise you of what you can and cannot do.

    The holocaust museum in particular is weary of concealed carry, but I have been allowed to do so in the past.

    As for other Federal buildings (Regan Building for example) they are the same way. Just give the guys on duty a heads up.
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  4. Goose

    Goose The list is long but distinguished. Staff Member

    When I was researching it about a year ago, I discovered that DC has it written into their city code that either law enforcement officers/peace officers/police officers (I forget which) can carry a concealed firearm, with no restriction stating what jurisdiction they had to be from. I didn't do much research beyond that; so at least you know you won't run into a problem on the local level.
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  5. militia_man

    militia_man MassCops Member

    Thanks guys. Good info and tips.
  6. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    What has been posted above mirrors what I found on other sites. Museums like the Smithsonian used to deny, but have changed recently. Here are the notable tips:
    I think Police Memorial Week is what makes federal facilities so good about the way they handle active duty LEO's. I was in the DC area for six years (pre-LEOSA) and they do not have enough weapons lockers to check all of the guns of the active duty LEOs who will come in that week.

    But, unless it's changed, even the White House doesn't freak out when you tell them you are an armed LEO (and they do make everybody check their guns, even active duty federal agents) who come in on business, or to visit or tour).

    As far as federal facilities are concerned, unless a LEO is on official business, firearms are not authorized. Title 18 sec 930

    I went to several of the Smithsonian buildings and all I had to do was check in and show my credentials at the security desk. They had me sign a book with the date and time I came in and that was it. Everyone was very pleasant.
    Actual office buildings and the white house are all absolutely no weapons but the touristy stuff was fine. I have heard the capitol goes both ways.

    The consensus is to discretely approach security and let them know you are armed and credentialed. Some will turn you away, some have lockers, and some will let you in armed.
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  7. csauce777

    csauce777 Supporting Member

    There's more cops, plainclothes, uniformed, etc with more guns than you could shake a stick at that week. No place I went the two years even batted an eye walking in with a piece.
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  8. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    US Capitol Police are very accomidating...just know they are spot on with unattended property.....sorry about my wifes purse boys
  9. OCKS

    OCKS Guest

    A little different subject but I have heard the New Jersey doesn't allow Hollow point ammo, even duty issued ammo. And has locked up LEO's for a violation. Can anyone confirm that?
  10. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    I've seen a whole thread on that too. I've got an email from NJSP that gives their stance, and also suggests comparable semi-jacketed hollow point rounds that are legal under their statues. I believe if you are on official business you are covered, but if off duty you must conform to their laws. Insane, I'd love to see a lawsuit resulting from someone who zings an FMJ through a baddie into a bystander.
    Ill post when I can get to a computer.

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  11. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    Jersey sucks

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  12. topcop14

    topcop14 Subscribing Member

    We need one more revision to this law. High capacity magazines.
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  13. Killjoy

    Killjoy Zombie Hunter

    Only according to one notoriously anti-gun ex-chief who thinks he's God's gift to interpreting arcane and poorly written firearms laws and consumer regulations.
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  14. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    As for NJ I was mistaken above. Rather than semi-jacked hollow point the ammo RECCOMENDED by the NJSP firearms unit is Enhanced FMJ. As for cops getting arrested for carrying hollow points there were at least 4 documented cases. 3 of those were for assclown behavior like DUI/bar fight but 1 involved a off-duty officer who shot a carjacker. Below is the experience and email received from the NJSP to a poster on another forum. Don't forget about those evil high cap mags too!

    --Well, a little late for my trip, but that’s OK. Nice to have a solid answer from NJ for future reference.

    I cut and paste the info below from the rather long e-mail reply by Lt. Schlueter of the NJSP.

    Being an off-duty LEO not on official business one would have to use magazines of 15 rounds or lower capacity.

    I took my Glock 19 and 638, ammo carried was 124gr +P EFMJ (Thanks Dennis!) and wadcutters by Buffalo Bore. Fortunately things were far smoother than trips to DC and NOLA that I have taken (although being a chaperon for 240 teenagers was work, let me tell you).

    PS; I am going to call the Lt. who sent me this answer (from the NJSP Firearms unit) next week out of curiosity about what they view as “Dum-Dum” bullets, it appears they look at these and hollow-points as one and the same from his e-mail.

    As per state statute, based on the reason for your visit (vacation), and as you will not be engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S. 2C:39-6, you are prohibited from carrying hollow point ammunition in your handgun while in New Jersey.

    Be advised that the Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners (A.F.T.E.)define “hollow point” as “a bullet with a cavity in the nose to facilitate expansion.”

    According to the New Jersey State Police Ballistics Unit, three alternative rounds to a hollow point are identified by the Ballistics Unit as follows:

    Hornady Critical Defense

    Federal Expanding Full Metal Jacket

    Corbon / Glaser PowR Ball

    Each use a different technology to facilitate expansion and do not have a “hollow” cavity. In the case of the PowR Ball and the Critical Defense, each uses a polymer to fill the “cavity,” and therefore are considered to be Expanding Type bullets falling short of a “hollow point.”

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  15. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    Any cop, anywhere, who thinks it is necessary to arrest on off duty LEO for this nonsense is an assclown. Just because you can, does not mean you should.
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  16. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    2011, think the original email was from the same time. 218 should cover, but NJ remains obstinate.

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  17. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    There was a time when some NJ cops gave NYPD cops a hard time driving home from work, through NJ, to homes in upstate NY, because they were armed. That has not happened in a while.
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  18. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    You sounded do live in MA right?
  19. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    Speer +p 9 mm luger
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  20. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    but all week I've been picking up .45, .44, .229, and 12 ga evidence from scenes so it kind of feels like we are carrying ball ammo. We had weird perp. guns all week, a 7 shot Webly chambered for .44, a pink glock .45, and an AK.
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  21. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    Before the LEOSA, I occasionally came across an out-of-state officer who was carrying, and I always ended our encounter with "Be safe on your official business trip within the commonwealth" (officers on official business were/are exempt from having an LTC).

    Hey, I just assumed. :cool:
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  22. Meat Eater

    Meat Eater MassCops Member

    I'm sure i'm going to be handed my head for posting this but here goes. I've been to D.C. about 8 times with the family. I didn't bring a gun. We never had a problem. There are cops and homeland security all over the place. When you stop to look at a map people stop and ask if they can help. That being said I wouldn't be walking around at night without a gun.
  23. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    The ironic thing being, of course, is that ball ammo is more likely to over-penetrate and ricochet than hollow points.
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  24. Meat Eater

    Meat Eater MassCops Member

    Never had a problem on the metro during the day when we were there.
  25. niteowl1970

    niteowl1970 Moderator Staff Member

    With neighbors like this I can see why the city is sketchy..

  26. Meat Eater

    Meat Eater MassCops Member

    You'll never see them on the Metro, they're better than us little people.:rolleyes:

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