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This topic somehow found it's way into "Patrol: Under 21 Cops". It is an interesting one. What are your views and personal experiences on the subject of carrying off duty? Personally, I still have not made up my mind. The pro and con sides have many valid points. What are the various Dept. policies?
 

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Well..........
If you're 21 with a class A LTC, the issue is one of personal choice.
I know of lots of people who carry a Badge/I.D. off-duty but never a firearm with it. Seems to me that is a more interesting point.

I could carry anything from Smith M332 (.32 H&R Mag) to Glock 23, to a Smith M58 (.41 Mag) But I hardly ever do. I think I carry off-duty maybe twice a year. I meet my daughter at T-station at nights when she comes home from college every so often.

I remember some previous threads in which some advocate not carrying badges/I.D.s (Badges?.......we don't need no stinkin badges!!!!!!!) off-duty.
I think I'll start carrying more often though.
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If you go drinking don't carry off duty it causes problems due to impairment.

If you are responsible than carry. My prefered weapon of choice is the beretta .380 I just found another for concealment is the new Springfied XP 3" 9MM.

Shame on the recidivist who wants to play with off duty police officers. "I don't play well with others"
 

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Off duty gun= Kimber Pro Carry II .45!

On duty F/T job= Beretta 92D Centerion 9mm

On duty P/T job= Glock 23 .40
 

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As far as unarmed departments off duty officers, I hope they dont carry do they?
 

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union1 said:
As far as unarmed departments off duty officers, I hope they dont carry do they?
Why not if they have an A LTC?
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Because the want and desire to pull that weapon out and defend the persons actions as "I am a Police Officer" is almost a certainty.... so its best to just not have one.

On Duty - Can of O.C., Baton and keys

Off Duty - my mind!

Isnt that funny!
 

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Because the want and desire to pull that weapon out and defend the persons actions as "I am a Police Officer" is almost a certainty.... so its best to just not have one.
Ahhh Union,

1. Thats a pretty broad brush you're painting folks with!
2. Imagine being in a situation as an off-duty cop and being saved by a citizen with an LTC and a gun, because it was best that you "just not have one"

Where are you coming from dude?
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Because the want and desire to pull that weapon out and defend the persons actions as "I am a Police Officer" is almost a certainty.... so its best to just not have one.
So let me get this straight, You are a police officer, but you think that it is better to not carry off duty? Whether or not your department is armed makes no difference when you carry off duty as long as your actions are justified. I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
 

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I carry all the time, with the exceptions of airline travel and if I go out drinking. My thought is that if you carry a badge, carry a gun, it's just that simple. I don't know how many times I have heard stories from officers/troopers who don't carry off duty, yet ID themselves as such in one situation or another. What if you ID yourself to person, for one reason or another, and he's a felon who just robbed a liquor store and has a gun on him? Or he's just some mope who hates cops? I can think of thousands of reasons to carry a gun off duty and very few reasons not too. Several times off duty I have encountered dirtbags I've arrested who decided they had something to say to me. Well, I simply walked away rather than engage in a pointless arguement; but I had a gun on my hip in case he wanted to "take it up a notch". Troopers I work with have told me that they don't carry off duty because "they wouldn't want to endanger their family." Endanger their family? Just because you carry, it certainly doesn't mean you HAVE to respond to a situation. What if someone threatens your family and you have nothing but your tin in your back pocket? I would say that endangers your family more than carrying a piece. I've said it before; I go out of my way to avoid trouble off duty. The best thing I can do off duty is if I'm observing some sort of crime to get on my cell and call the ON DUTY police. But with that said, if some shithead decides to knife his girlfriend in front of me in downtown Boston; he's getting .45 caliber lead for his trouble. I carry only to PROTECT MY LIFE OR THE LIVES OF OTHERS FROM IMMINENT DEADLY HARM. Cops who get in trouble carrying off duty are usually the idiots who show off their piece by letting their jacket "accidently" slide up; probably to show how tough they are. Or the morons who go out and toss a few back then let off a few rounds to wake up the neighborhood. Or, most dangerously, go out off duty, hoping to get "into the shit" (usually new officers). Remember, off duty you have no radio to call for backup, vest for protection, or uniform to identify who you are. You are just as likely to get shot by a cop than a criminal. The reasons cops give for why they don't carry are numerous, but probably it comes down to laziness and cheapness. Most duty guns are too big for practical conceal carry, and most cops are too cheap to buy a small carry gun. Quality holsters are also quite pricey (but well worth it). Laziness refers to the fact that most cops don't even want to go through the "trouble" of carrying. It takes me perhaps an extra 30 seconds to thread a holster and put a gun on. Still, there is some hope; more and more Troopers in my barracks have been coming to me asking what they should carry off duty. Perhaps in a post 9-11 world, security has become more of a real concern. And since everyone else is posting what they carry, here's my personal choices:

Hot weather : S&W Airweight Bodyguard loaded with .38+P Winchester 125 grain Silvertips
Cold weather : Kimber Compact or Sig Sauer P245 loaded with .45 ACP Federal 230 grain Hydra-Shoks
Duty : Sig Sauer P226 loaded with .40 S&W Winchester 180 grain SXT.
 

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union1 said:
Im gonna leave this one here. Good luck with your thread..
Wow, Rob is that all you have to say? :roll: You know what they say, if you can't take the heat.............
 
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I agree with JohnJ on this one. You never really need a gun until you need one real bad. You go to all the pain & expense to become a cop for 8 hours out of your day but the scumbags we lock up are scumbags 24/7/365.

Nothing like pushing the baby stroller with the wife & kids down the South Shore Plaza when some dirtball recognizes you and asks "Offi-sa' waddap?" After the confrontation, what is LOMAC supposed to do? Take his Smokey hat off and get those rubber gloves on to staunch the flow of blood from my body? No way in on Gods Green Earth will that ever happen to me.

My gun is for mine & my familys protection. It's not meant to be shown off or accidentally seen. You carry a badge in your wallet, you should carry a gun as well. Just my opinion.
 

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When i leave the house I always have a badge and gun, the only exception is when im going out drinking.

On duty Sig P229 or Sig P239 (details) AR-15 or Benelli shotgun for patrol rifles
Off duty Glock 27
 

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union1 said:
Because the want and desire to pull that weapon out and defend the persons actions as "I am a Police Officer" is almost a certainty....
I have NO want or desire to pull my weapon out ever (off-duty), unless my/my family's life is in IMMINENT danger. My actions would not be defended as "I am a Police Officer," because when I am not off duty, no one needs to know my occupation. I don't flaunt it. Unless the circumstance is such that I can not leave the area, I do not get involved. Call the on-duty police, let them do the job that they are being paid to do (as said previously).

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so its best to just not have one.
Until you NEED one!!

Thats my :2c:
 

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I agree with CampusOfficer when im off duty im a regular citizen, But I also agree with the fact that the one time you don't carry off duty is the time you may need it. Guess I can't take common ground on this topic :(
 

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Kmf294,

You are a shit magnet on/off duty. Hope you have unlimited direct connect on that Nextel :!:

Hope the new job is going well.
 
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