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Unbelievable. I heard that this bill passed. Can Mass and the rest of the libs be far behind? :BM:

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San Francisco Voters Consider Tough Handgun Ban
By Mary Anne Ostrom
Mercury News via Knight Ridder

The city that made Dirty Harry famous, but also witnessed the assassination of a mayor and supervisor a generation ago, on Tuesday will weigh enacting the toughest handgun ban in the nation.

If Proposition H passes on the ballot, San Francisco residents would not be allowed to own handguns and would have to turn in ones already in their possession by April 1.

The proposal comes at a time when San Francisco is confounded by how to stop the rise of gun-related homicides in recent years, particularly among youths. But opposition from gun-owner groups is fierce, and San Francisco is poised again to insert itself in the middle of a contentious national debate.

The National Rifle Association and several other groups have promised to file suit as early as Wednesday morning should the measure pass -- which is expected in a city known for its liberal bent.

The NRA and others will argue that San Francisco is again overstepping its bounds by taking on a role -- similar to the city's decision to marry same-sex couples in 2004 -- that should be left up to the state. Their view is that deciding who can own a gun is the state's job, and the California Supreme Court has upheld that notion in the past.

Although Mayor Gavin Newsom has not taken a position, several of the city's most liberal leaders are supporting the far-reaching ban -- including District Attorney Kamala Harris and four supervisors who are listed as sponsors. Newsom, instead, has been touting his pilot program to place security cameras at high-crime locations, an idea he's borrowed from Chicago.

That's not enough, said Supervisor Sophie Maxwell, whose district includes Potrero Hill. That's where Naemon Wysinger, 2, and his 22-year-old father, Dernae Wysinger, were shot to death October 14. After a City Hall anti-crime rally this week, Maxwell said she backs the ban because ``We've got to try everything we can.''

Underscoring the frustration with gun-related violence, several of the ban's supporters said even if a legal battle ensues and though enforcement of the new law may be difficult, they want to send a message that the city needs to step up anti-crime initiatives.

There were 88 homicides in the city last year, the largest count since 1995. San Francisco just hit the 70 mark for 2005.

Whether such a gun ban is legally or practically enforceable is at the center of the debate.

Other attempts at far-reaching municipal gun bans have met with strong resistance in the courts. In the wake of the 1978 handgun slayings of then Mayor George Moscone and supervisor Harvey Milk, one of Dianne Feinstein's first acts as Moscone's replacement was to enact a handgun ban. It was struck down a couple of years later, however, by the state Supreme Court. Feinstein, now a U.S. senator, is not taking a position on Proposition H, because she feels the state's top court has already ruled, a spokesman said.

Last autumn, a similar 20-year-old handgun ban in Washington D.C. was overturned by the U.S. House of Representatives, which oversees gun laws in that city. A tough Chicago ban has been challenged. One key difference in those two cities: residents were allowed to keep handguns they already owned. In San Francisco, if the measure passes, residents must turn in their handguns at a police or sheriff's station by April 1, 2006.

That element of the proposed law has opponents raising the specter of defenseless residents and small-business owners, who would be in danger not just from violent thugs, but in a major catastrophe.

Adding a timely twist to the debate, those opponents warn that a major earthquake could lead to chaos and anarchy, akin to post-Katrina New Orleans.

``What happens when the police leave town, just like they did in New Orleans?'' asked John Mindermann, a retired San Francisco police officer who keeps a handgun in his home in the low-crime area of West Portal. Only active law enforcement and military personnel would be exempt from the ban.

And even though its officers fight violence daily, the San Francisco Police Officers Association is also opposed to the ban, saying it cannot back a measure that takes away ``the personal choice of city residents to lawfully possess a handgun for self-defense purposes.''

Another argument is that if the ban passes, San Francisco will be a magnet for out-of-town criminals who will know residents are unarmed. Also, opponents point out, it's unlikely that criminals will march down to a police station and turn in their guns.

In addition to the ban on handguns, Proposition H also would prohibit the sale, manufacture, transfer and distribution of all firearms and ammunition in the city. Currently, only one retail gun store operates in the city, so that provision has less impact than it would in a city with several retail outlets. The ban would not apply to lawful handgun owners from other cities.

And what happens if you're a San Franciscan caught with a handgun? Stay tuned. If passed, the punishment will be spelled out by the Board of Supervisors.

San Jose Mercury News
 

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What is the percentage of gun-related crimes committed by LICENSED gun owners? I can't imagine that those that own firearms for hobby/collection/personal protection are the ones committing homicide in San Fran. I CAN imagine that it's those that have no license to carry, and bought a gun black market. Good idea San Fran, take guns away from the people that abide by the law... :blink:
 

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OK ........ So people living in the city won't own hand guns. Now all the bad guys come in from the next town over and do what they want any ways.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The only thing this does is violate the law abiding citizens rights. The scum will get a gun no matter what Bill you pass, or what civil liberty's you infringe or violate
 

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Don't you love how the liberals in this country vote away their own personal rights and freedoms but then denounce countries like China and Cuba because of the lack of freedom given to their citizens. And yes I could see the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts trying a ban like this.
 

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As has happened in the past, the Cali Supreme Court will overturn this anti-Constitutional bullshit law. However, where the f*ck were all the gun owners? If they all turned out to protect their freedom, they'd have beaten this referendum.

If this happened in Mass, and you guys, as cops (I'm one as well) were told you could not own or possess any other than issued duty weapons, and were told to surrender them, what would you do?
 

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Eamonn Wright said:
As has happened in the past, the Cali Supreme Court will overturn this anti-Constitutional bullshit law. However, where the f*ck were all the gun owners? If they all turned out to protect their freedom, they'd have beaten this referendum.

If this happened in Mass, and you guys, as cops (I'm one as well) were told you could not own or possess any other than issued duty weapons, and were told to surrender them, what would you do?
What would I do? :FM:

Seriously, I am glad to live in New Hampshire.
 

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Does this mean that the next step in Calif. will be to do away with sharp pointed sticks because they can kill people to, and lets not forget about those that use baseball bats and don't even play ball. Give me a break. But you can bet that Ma won't be far behind.
 

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WHEREAS, the only approprete use of baseball bats is in the playing of baseball; and
WHEREAS, people own baseball bats who are neither amature or professional baseball players, and;
WHEREAS, baseball bats, when used in an assault, are considered dangerous weapons; and
WHEREAS, numerous assaults have been reported involving baseball bats; and
WHEREAS, it is the duty of the State to protect it's citizens from their own stupidity it is hereby

DECREED by the Supreme Soviet of the Peoples Republic of Massachucetts, the following:

Effective midnight, 10 November 2005, posession of baseball bats shall be restricted to professional and amature baseball players.

All professional and amature baseball players shall report to the Executive Office of Public Safety with two forms of identification, one of which shall be issued by the State, and proof of employment as a professional or amature baseball player, in order to obtain a Special Permit for the Posession of Baseball Bats. An annual registration fee of $100 made payable to the State is required. This Permit is non-transferable and grants privledge to the bearer to posess one wooden baseball bat. The bearer is responsible for the safe storage of said baseball bat, which shall be locked up in an approved container when not in use. Baseball bats shall not be carried, either concealed or openly, by a person permitted under this Decree except when actually engaged in the game of baseball.

Illegal use, manufacture, sale or posession of baseball bats is a felony, the penalty for which shall incarceration in a correctional facility of the State for a period of no less then one year, and no longer then five years and a fine of no less then $2500 and more more then $10,000. In addition, a civil penalty of $5000 shall be assessed for each offense. Persons convicted of subseqent offenses shall be sentenced to a term of incarceration of not less then seven years.

Aluminium baseball bats are hereby illegal. Posession or sale of aluminum baseball bats shall be punished as provided above.

All residents who currently have in ther posession baseball bats, are directed to turn them in to the Executive Office of Public Safety no later then midnight, 10 November 2005.
 

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Jon,

You forgot to address "large capacity" bats, and bats with silencers...
 
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