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Calif. Officer Killed, Another Critical After Shooting

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  1. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    The steel plates don't offer a lot of increased ballistic protection, and definitely WILL NOT stop rifle rounds, but do reduce trauma associated with hits and makes for easier follow up shots. Great protection from steering columns though.
    Steel rifle rated plates are available, but are usually prohibitively heavy and have the risk of secondary spall shrapnel.[/quote]
  2. 7costanza

    7costanza Supporting Member

    Without reading this entire thread. I dont follow the news at all since ...well I cant even say it yet but a friend said this guy left a manifesto of sorts about how great the left hollywood people are, and he was trying to get guns banned by doing this, is that at all accurate?
  3. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    It's hard to tell with very skinny officers, and impossible to tell under a winter jacket.

    I signed on to be a member of a police department, not a ski team.
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  4. Delta784

    Delta784 Guest

    I've been wearing a vest for over 25 years, and my current one is by far the worst designed carrier and most uncomfortable. I wear the steel ballistic plate, just because I have no idea how much the Kevlar has degraded after 10+ years.
  5. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

  6. Herrdoktor

    Herrdoktor MassCops Member

    Probably pretty bad since you are suppose to change it every 2-3 years.

    You guys make a good point about the winter jackets bulking over a vest and maybe it's me being of a younger generation but i think doing this job without the proper gear is flat out negligent.

    Mandatory wear is pretty much standard across the board and if you are caught without one on while on duty you are going to get hammered. Hell per G.O if you off duty in your take home you HAVE to have a vest with you in the trunk.
  7. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    Mandatory wear is pretty much standard across the board and if you are caught without one on while on duty you are going to get hammered.

    And as a Boss I will get double hammered..Thats why we do the inspections. BTW turtlenecks in winter under jacket are awesome..I think they look sharp also
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  8. Johnny Law

    Johnny Law Nemo me impune lacessit Staff Member

    I'm with Delta and am old school. Ties on a long sleeve shirt look proper. My neck gets fucked up sometimes and it hurts to turn it, so I do have a turtleneck in those rare instances. It will keep my neck warm, but I HATE the way it irritates my throat area, scratching your beard area stubble after a few hours.

    Don't get me started on the guys who don't replace theirs every year with stretched out neck holes and that same beard area on the neck hole pilled up from a season's worth of rubbing.
  9. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    [​IMG] Some additional insight on how the story unfolded and fucked up his advantage of surprise.

    By Joel Rubin, Los Angeles Times
    February 21, 2013, 6:15 p.m.

    It was nearing midnight when Terie Evans called police in Irvine with a hunch: An ex-Los Angeles police officer named Christopher Dorner might have killed a young Irvine woman and her fiance a few days earlier.

    Evans, an LAPD sergeant who had trained Dorner, conceded that her theory was a long shot. But Dorner's name had suddenly surfaced the day before in a strange phone call. And she knew he had a connection to the woman who had been killed. It seemed too much to dismiss as a coincidence.

    It wouldn't take long for Irvine detectives to realize just how valuable Evans' tip was.

    Before dawn they were looking into Dorner. An investigator uncovered a rambling manifesto Dorner allegedly posted online, in which he expressed fury over his firing years earlier and laid out his plan to exact revenge by killing officers he blamed for his downfall and their family members.

    The discovery sent Evans and about 50 other LAPD officers and their families either into hiding or under the protection of heavily armed guards as a massive manhunt for Dorner unfolded across Southern California.

    For the eight days that Dorner eluded capture, Evans remained silent and laid low, while Irvine and Los Angeles police officials kept secret her role in identifying the suspect. Evans had been Dorner's training officer and was at the center of the incident that led to his dismissal from the force. Authorities worried it might enrage Dorner further if he knew she had once again played a lead role in determining his fate.

    On Thursday, Evans spoke to The Times about what happened, and police confirmed her account. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said he believes Evans' actions saved lives, helping detectives identify Dorner before he carried out more surprise attacks.

    It began for Evans on Monday, Feb. 4 — the day after the bodies of Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence had been found riddled with bullets in their car. Evans, 47, received a message that an officer from a small department south of San Diego was trying to reach her. When she returned the call, the officer told her that he had found pieces of a large-sized police uniform, some ammunition and other items discarded in a dumpster that appeared to belong to an LAPD officer with the last name Dorner. Evans' name and other items were written in a small notebook found with the other things. The officer asked: Did Evans know this guy Dorner?

    She did know him. Several years earlier, Evans and Dorner, a rookie cop, had been partners. The pairing had ended badly when Dorner accused Evans of kicking a handcuffed man .

    Evans denied the allegations and an investigation cleared the 18-year veteran of wrongdoing. LAPD officials went on to fire Dorner after concluding he had fabricated the story.

    "Just hearing his name was enough to make me feel sick," Evans said.

    Evans hadn't been able to shake the uneasy feeling when she went to work the following evening. Before beginning her night shift, she stopped in the police station's parking lot to talk with some other officers. The conversation turned to the Irvine killings. Evans had heard about the case, but knew no details. The dead woman, one of the officers said, was the daughter of Randy Quan, a former LAPD captain-turned-lawyer who represented LAPD officers in disciplinary hearings when they ran afoul of the department.

    The hair on the back of Evans' neck stood up. Another wave of the shakiness she had felt on the phone washed over her. She struggled to make sense of her thoughts. Quan. Dorner. The belongings in the dumpster.

    Through her night shift, a "nagging, sinking feeling" dogged her. "I have to call Irvine PD," she recalled thinking.

    "In my mind, it felt like such a long shot," Evans said. "But my gut feeling made it a lot stronger than that. I just knew. Something told me that there was some kind of a connection."

    Evans called the Irvine Police Department and told a supervisor her theory: Quan had represented Dorner at his termination proceedings. What if Dorner had killed Quan's daughter and her fiance as part of a vendetta and then tossed his belongings in the dumpster before escaping across the border to Mexico?

    About 1 a.m., an Irvine detective called back and Evans repeated her suspicions. A few hours later, her shift ended and Evans went home to sleep. When she awoke, a message from another Irvine detective, left early that morning, was waiting for her. Investigators were pursuing her lead and were on their way to San Diego to examine Dorner's belongings.

    "At that point, I was absolutely sick," Evans said. "I thought, 'Oh my god, it really is him.' I knew no one knew where he was … I thought, 'What am I going to do?' At the time Mr. Dorner was terminated, I had a very uneasy feeling. I knew he was very upset and I had concerns that at some point he may try to contact me. So, this was just validating the bad feeling I carried with me for years. I was scared to death."

    About 1:30 p.m., Evans said she was on her way to watch her teenage son play soccer when her phone rang again. They had discovered the manifesto. "I was told my family and I were not safe."

    After making sure her son was with his father — a retired cop — Evans drove around aimlessly, fearing that Dorner could be waiting for her at her home or police station. Within 20 minutes, she recalled, someone from the LAPD called to make plans for protecting her and her family.

    Police say Dorner killed two officers as well as the Irvine couple, and injured three more officers in gun battles, before apparently killing himself last week in the basement of a Big Bear cabin as authorities closed in on him.

    Evans has not yet returned to her home. She and police officials said Evans has continued to receive threats. In addition, someone tried to break in to her home, police said.

    "I honestly don't think my life will ever be normal the way it was before. This was such an extraordinary circumstance, I don't know if I'm ever going to feel safe in my home again," Evans said. "Years from now, my family could potentially still be at risk."

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    Times staff writers Christopher Goffard, Kurt Streeter and Andrew Blankstein contributed to this report.
  10. BxDetSgt

    BxDetSgt MassCops Member

    She is still getting threats and someone tried to break into her home, does this guy have a following? WTF
  11. GMass

    GMass Guest

    Yes. They were rallying in front of LAPD HQ the day after he Q5ed

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  12. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    The Bright Side of the Dorner Case
    Written by Randy Sutton

    While we look for a reason for what Christopher Dorner has done, and while we might try to ascribe his actions to his rejection by the LAPD, Christopher Dorner did not lose his badge because he was a victim of vindictive racist Police Officers, but because he was a bad cop who after only months of wearing a badge demonstrated incompetence and the character flaws that no police career can or should survive…a lack of honor and integrity.

    The successful termination of Dorners’ short police career came about because of a group of officers and a process little known or understood outside of the law enforcement community known as FTEP, the Field Training and Evaluation Program.

    I have had the honor of serving as a Police Officer for more than three decades, and half of that time I was involved in FTEP, first as a FTO (Field Training Officer) and then as a Sergeant and Lieutenant supervising squads of Training Officers and their inexperienced charges. The officers who take on the mantle of responsibility to take recruits just out of the Training Academy and mold them into fully functioning Patrol Officers are truly unsung heroes within the law enforcement profession. The knowledge, skills and temperament needed to successfully train and mentor new officers renders this an exceedingly demanding job and not one that all experienced officers are suited for. A good FTO not only must demonstrate their own competence as a Patrol Officer but must also be a teacher, friend, confidant and an older brother/sister, molding the raw police academy graduate into an officer who can make decisions ranging from when to write a citation to the taking of a human life.

    The training period lasts for six months and each day the recruit is watched, advised, and evaluated for not simply knowledge but their ability to apply their skills to the real world of policing. They are corrected, advised, sometimes remedially trained, and every effort is made to bring their skills up to a level where they will perform adequately. Sometimes though, no amount of training or cajoling works. A single FTO cannot make the decision to end a trainee’s career. During the six month program, at least six different FTO’s will observe and evaluate the new officer and only after a series of FTO’s all come to the same conclusions, along with the Supervisors who are constantly advised and updated, are steps taken to either terminate the trainee or devise some sort of remedial training program as a last ditch effort to retain them.

    Most often, however, it is the Trainees themselves who come to the difficult conclusion that police work simply is not for them. Many young men and women join Law Enforcement because they have an unrealistic, almost “comic book†view of policing. Some of the trainees are simply unprepared for what they are exposed to. Cruelty is an acid which can corrode the soul and having a fifty yard-line seat to the human condition can change many a person’s police career choice. Some, however, don’t recognize that this is just not the career for them Dorner was such a recruit.

    Christopher Dorner did not graduate from his initial LAPD Academy Class in 2005. During his basic academy training, even though he was a reserve officer in the United States Navy and was awarded the “Navy Rifle Marksmanship Ribbon†and “Navy Expert Pistol Shot Medalâ€, he managed to accidentally discharge his pistol and shoot himself in the hand. Because of his negligence, he was brought up on charges by the department and according to LAPD Internal disciplinary records, was suspended for two days. His wound, because it was suffered “in the line of duty†resulted in him being allowed to finish his Academy training, and he graduated in February of 2006. He then entered the Field Training Program of the LAPD. Once a police trainee graduates from the six month LAPD Academy, the next phase of training begins, Field Training or the FTO Program as it is known, lasts for six months. The trainee is assigned six different FTO’s, each for a month and during that time period, Dorner was evaluated every day on a wide array of knowledge and skills such as “Officer Safetyâ€, “Search and Seizureâ€, and “Conflict Resolutionâ€. Once again, his training was cut short though because after just a few months, he was called into Active Duty status with the Navy, where he was deployed to Bahrain for 13 months. He returned in July of 2007 and as he had not completed his Field Training, he was assigned back to the FTO program. Within a short period of time, he was receiving poor evaluations and remedial training, but instead of accepting personal responsibility and being self-accountable, he blamed his training officers and the department.

    The final straw involved his handling of a complaint about a man refusing to leave a hotel. Finding the mentally ill man on a bench outside of the hotel, Dorner escalated the incident resulting in his FTO having to use her Taser on the subject. Weeks later, after receiving a poor evaluation report from his FTO, he claimed that she kicked the man in the head during the arrest. The internal investigation turned up several uninvolved witnesses whose testimony proved Dorner was lying. That was the last straw for the LAPD who fired him for being “untruthful†during the investigation.

    I applaud the LAPD for terminating Christopher Dorner, a difficult course of action. For even though he continually demonstrated that he lacked the skills and temperament to perform the duties of a Police Officer, often, the easier and more “politically correct†action is to take no action. LAPD took a stand, and after Departmental hearings and appeals, all of which upheld the decision to terminate Dorner, he executed his mad retribution. He took the lives of Police Officers, the life of the innocent daughter of a retired cop who had worked as an advocate for Dorner himself, and her companion. He deprived parents of their children and children of their parents because he believed himself to be a “victim†while in fact he was a simply too inept to be a cop and too self absorbed to accept it.

    As people who live in what we refer to, somewhat hopefully, as a civilized society, when we witness something as horrific as a school shooting or this incident, we by nature look to assign blame. It is simply part of our humanness and it eases our collective conscience as we struggle to understand how it could possibly happen. There is blame here but it does not belong to the LAPD who did exactly what they should have done; they realized they had a bad cop working for them, they fired him. The blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of the one man who could have prevented the carnage, destruction and heartbreak felt by so many… Christopher Dorner.

    Randy Sutton is a retired Lieutenant with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. He is one of the most highly decorated police officers in the department with multiple Life Saving Awards and awards for Valor and Community Service. He is the Author of three books, TRUE BLUE POLICE STORIES BY THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED THEM, A COP’S LIFE, and TRUE BLUE TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
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  13. Hush

    Hush Moderator Staff Member

    A kind of related column by an LAPD member who writes under the pseudonym Jack Dunphy

    Jack Dunphy
    Unfit for Duty
    Christopher Dorner was no “superhero,” and he’s certainly no martyr.
    22 February 2013

    The electronic media didn’t cover itself in glory during the Christopher Dorner saga. Driven to fill air time with a story about which few actual facts were available, news stations sometimes resorted to wild speculation, erroneous reports, and moral obtuseness about the manhunt surrounding the ex–Los Angeles police officer and his killing spree. Of these, the first two are perhaps forgivable or at least understandable, given the nature of the business. The Dorner story delivered viewers. Failure to cover it, despite the lack of anything new to report, would have sent those viewers elsewhere. We’ve grown accustomed to news programs devoid of news. We’ve even come to expect some moral obtuseness in the media, where criminal behavior is so often rationalized as the byproduct of a deprived upbringing or whatnot.

    But on February 13, only one day after Dorner’s murder spree came to a fiery end, viewers saw what may be a new low in a milieu in which lows are routine. Appearing to discuss the Dorner case on CNN was, among others, Marc Lamont Hill, an associate professor at Columbia University’s Teachers College. “As far as Dorner himself goes,” said Hill, “he’s been like a real life superhero to many people.” Perhaps realizing he had gone too far, Hill added: “What he did was awful, killing innocent people is bad.”

    But then Hill doubled down, offering what amounts to a justification for Dorner’s crimes. “But when you read [Dorner’s] manifesto,” he said, “when you read the message that he left, he wasn’t entirely crazy. He had a plan and mission here and many people aren’t rooting for him to kill innocent people. They’re rooting for somebody who was wronged, to get a kind of revenge against the system. It is almost like watching ‘Django Unchained’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting.”

    Where does one begin to respond? First and most important, Dorner’s problem was not that he was “entirely crazy”; he was evil, a term rarely heard in the discussion of his crimes. Given Hill’s academic position, it is most likely a term absent not only from his own vocabulary, but also from that of virtually everyone with whom he interacts regularly.

    Second, how is it that Dorner’s online manifesto is more indicative of his mental state than the heinous acts he is believed to have committed? That he could describe his grievance with the Los Angeles Police Department with some coherence shouldn’t obscure the fact that in this now infamous document, Dorner threatened the lives of police officers and their families—and then went out and made good on the threat, murdering the daughter of the retired police captain against whom he held a grudge, as well as her fiancé. Yes, Dorner had “a plan and mission”—the first act of which was to murder two people having nothing to do with his grievances.

    Meanwhile, LAPD chief Charlie Beck has announced that he will reopen the complaint investigation that led to Dorner’s dismissal from the department in 2009. “It is important to me,” said Beck, quoted in the Los Angeles Times, “that we have a department that is seen as valuing fairness.” Beck’s decision has been roundly criticized within the LAPD, as it seems to lend credence to Dorner’s claim that he was fired unjustly. If Beck is confident that Dorner’s case was handled properly, what do he and the LAPD gain from reopening the case? If the results are in accord with the previous conclusion, Dorner’s unhinged supporters will merely accuse the LAPD of conducting another sham investigation and covering up the truth. Far better for Beck to open up the LAPD records relating to Dorner’s termination and let people draw their own conclusions. And remember that both a superior court judge and a panel of the California Court of Appeals upheld Dorner’s termination, so it’s absurd to claim that he was denied due process.

    I know nothing about Dorner’s tenure with the LAPD beyond what I’ve read and what I’ve heard from conversations with officers who knew him. But in 30 years with the LAPD, I have come to know how the department’s disciplinary system works. In truth, it’s not always fair. If the department gave Dorner a raw deal, he would hardly be the first. But he would be the first to react to the injustice by committing murder.

    The thumb on the scale can be heavy when an officer is ordered to appear before a quasi-judicial panel known as a “board of rights.” The boards are made up of a civilian member and two senior LAPD officers at the rank of captain or higher. When an officer appears before such a board, the chief of police has usually determined that the charges against him warrant his removal from the department. Most of the captains who sit on these boards hope for further advancement in the LAPD, and the chief of police has the power to make those determinations. Absent a compelling defense on the officer’s behalf, few captains are willing to go against the chief and side with the accused in a close case.

    Was the case against Dorner close? An examination of the facts strongly suggests that he lied when, in 2007, he accused his training officer of kicking a man during an altercation at a San Pedro hotel. The most compelling evidence came from the testimony of hotel employees who witnessed the incident and did not report seeing Dorner’s partner kick the man being detained. These witnesses had no reason to withhold information from the sergeant investigating the officers’ conduct. Also, the detained man bore no marks or injuries consistent with having been kicked, and he made no allegation that he was kicked when discussing the incident with the officers’ watch commander or with the jail doctor who examined him.

    The training officer had no apparent motivation to lie about her role in the altercation, either. Independent witnesses described the detained man’s behavior as combative, and LAPD policy allows kicks under such circumstances, so admitting to having kicked the man wouldn’t constitute an acknowledgment of misconduct. By all accounts the scuffle was brief and unremarkable.

    Now let us examine Dorner’s possible motivation for lying. Dorner waited two weeks before coming forward with allegations against his training officer, a delay that weakens his credibility. Add to this the fact that the training officer had written an evaluation in which she said that Dorner needed to improve his officer-safety skills, common sense, and good judgment, and you have a classic case of a failing rookie reaching for a lifeline. Perhaps fearing the consequences of such an evaluation, Dorner apparently reacted as many rookie officers have before: he made an accusation of misconduct against the training officer in the hope of getting assigned to a new partner.

    Dorner’s lack of good judgment and self-awareness appeared in more mundane ways. In his manifesto, he claims to have excelled at writing police reports, but the document itself suggests otherwise—it’s rife with spelling or grammatical errors in virtually every paragraph. Even the sentence in which Dorner invites scrutiny of his writing skills contains a spelling error: “Judge my writin/grammar skills for yourself,” he implored.

    As the LAPD reexamines why Dorner was fired, perhaps we might also learn why, years earlier, he was retained under circumstances that should have led to his termination. While an academy recruit, Dorner accidentally shot himself in the hand while cleaning one of his guns at home. Local police and the LAPD investigated the shooting and concluded that Dorner had been negligent. A tenured officer would expect a suspension under these circumstances, but academy recruits are at-will employees; it was once unthinkable that a recruit not be fired for displaying such carelessness. Dorner received a two-day suspension without pay but was allowed to complete his training after his injury healed. When Chief Beck announces the results of the Dorner reinvestigation, will he also explain this apparent departure from the LAPD’s earlier standards?

    Christopher Dorner was not fired because he was a whistleblower threatening to expose corruption and racism in the LAPD; he was fired because he was dishonest. What a dreadful shame that dishonesty turned out to be the least of his problems.

    Jack Dunphy is the pseudonym for an officer of the Los Angeles Police Department. The opinions expressed are his own and do not reflect those of the management of the LAPD.
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