[Wannabe1]

All the Brandeis bashing on this site cracks me up. I work at Brandeis and it is no different than alot of other colleges.Actually, it is better in some aspects. I am on pace to break 60k this year(my first year). I do not work hard at all. No campus police department will ever be good as a municipal police department in most areas with the exception of 1 or 2.

 

[Wannabe1]

Well all I know is every campus cop I know aspires to be a municipal or state cop one day. I would much rather make 60k a year at a small school like Brandeis than make 30-35k at another school that is full of guys who think they are troopers and are looking to ruin careers.

 

[Wannabe1]

Richie Deca Kid!

 

[Wannabe1]

Wannabe are you even a cop over there?

LOL. There are very few campuses where I consider the "Police" to be cops. Many schools have the label of "Police" but the reality is that the admin does not want you locking up the students. I know that most of the guys who talk trash on here about Brandeis are disgruntled ex Brandis employees who couldn't grasp the fact they are or where CAMPUS Police.

Posted Wed 11 Aug, 2004 04:34:

Wannabe1

If you want to be a lazy jerk and learn next to nothing then go make 60k a year at a place like Brandies. Have a fun time taking orders from non-police admin types who will ruin your career as a Police Officer when they fire your ass for acting like a cop. The "Wannabe Trooper" statement just shows how little you know about State College Police Officers.

"Lazy Jerk" lol. I'll take being able to pay my rent more easily over working for less money just to have a gun and think that I am more of a cop.
"fire your ass for acting like a cop" Do you mean following the law and performing your jobs duties properly? I don't think that this would be wise for any employer no matter what your job is. If you act properly and get fired than that opens a lawsuit for wrongful termination. Unless you mean "acting like a cop" as running around campus and making bullsh*t arrests on and off of the schools property pissing off the local P.D. because they have to hold your big class D arrests(Off campus arrests where you have no jurisdiction is just one example of what will will ruin your career).This happens ALOT at alot of CAMPUS police depts.
BTW: I like how you assume that I was talking about state college police officers. I never labeled one type of campus police. Guilty conscience? Also, when you quote somebody, try to get the quote right. I never said "Wannabe troopers" I think you confused my screen name with part of my quote. I don't believe all campus police departments are filled with people with this mindset, just some.(which is why I like working at Brandeis. It is filled with good people on the roster) Sorry that you took offense.I hope that your assumptions and your misquotes don't make their way into your "police" reports.

Posted Wed 11 Aug, 2004 04:53:

I've never worked @ Brandies so I won't comment on working conditions there. I've heard good and bad and I believe the truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I'll add that 60k is good $ for any campus police officer.

What I would like to point out the major difference between working for a state agency (university, college....) as a CPO vs. working for a private school. If someone is an aspiring municipal police officer (covered by the state pension fund), MSP trooper, or as a CO for DOC or some of the Sheriff's Offices, the time that the CPO who works for the state invests into the pension system carries over with them. This means that a CPO hired by a state school who is 21 works there for 10 years and then moves on to bigger and better things (with any of the examples above) will be eligible for retirement as if he was hired by the other agency when he was 21. Its really good deal because with so many CPO's waiting to get hired by their local PD, MSP, or as a CO it only makes sense to make that time count towards your retirement. Its just something to think about.

Irishpride,
This is a good post. I agree with you 100%. State Colleges are better for the retirement purposes. I, like every other Campus guy I know, aspire to be a municipal or state cop one day. Therefore, beny-wise a state college would better but pay-wise I can't say that would be better.(depends on the school)

 

[Wannabe1]

Wannabe are you even a cop over there?

LOL. There are very few campuses where I consider the "Police" to be cops. Many schools have the label of "Police" but the reality is that the admin does not want you locking up the students. I know that most of the guys who talk trash on here about Brandeis are disgruntled ex Brandis employees who couldn't grasp the fact they are or where CAMPUS Police.

Interesting you won't answer the question. You do however clearly state most POLICE @ campuses are not "cops". You then chose to emphasize the word CAMPUS over police when referring to Brandeis. Sounds more like you're "disgruntled"

Posted Wed 11 Aug, 2004 04:34:

Wannabe1

"Lazy Jerk" lol. I'll take being able to pay my rent more easily over working for less money just to have a gun and think that I am more of a cop.

"fSounds a little bit inflammatory

Unless you mean "acting like a cop" as running around campus and making bullsh*t arrests on and off of the schools property pissing off the local P.D. because they have to hold your big class D arrests(Off campus arrests where you have no jurisdiction is just one example of what will will ruin your career).This happens ALOT at alot of CAMPUS police depts.

Sounds like fodder for an expose! Again that emphasis on CAMPUS before police. hmmm.

BTW: I like how you assume that I was talking about state college police officers. I never labeled one type of campus police. Guilty conscience? Also, when you quote somebody, try to get the quote right. I never said "Wannabe troopers" I think you confused my screen name with part of my quote. I don't believe all campus police departments are filled with people with this mindset, just some.(which is why I like working at Brandeis. It is filled with good people on the roster) Sorry that you took offense.I hope that your assumptions and your misquotes don't make their way into your "police" reports.

O.K. buddy. You're backpeddling! You did state "most" when referring to Campus Police agencies. And nice way to try and shit on somebody with your cynical, critical, and subjective comments about "assumptions and misquotes on "police" reports."

Bottom line is you are happy at Brandeis making good $$$. Just don't sling mud on other Campus POLICE officers who are happy doing MORE than you DO for LESS$$$.
:lol:

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1.) I would emphasize CAMPUS before police when talking about ANY school.
2.) I would think "lazy jerk" is inflamtory.
3.) I am happier making more to do less.
4.) I am far from disgruntled with Brandeis. Brandeis is a great job.The only thing I am disgruntled about is the hiring process to become a cop in this state
5.) Lets not forget how this thread was started.

 

[Wannabe1]

Apparently nobody has read how people shit all over Brandeis on this board. Brandeis is no different than any other college campus. I have worked for other campus police departments and I have friends on alot of other campus pd's. There are many places that do what what John J and I have stated. I aspire to be a cop one day and wouldn't want to work someplace where that could be ruined.
Sorry for defending my workplace. :shock:
To each their own. You like getting into situations on/ off campus...fine. When shit gets talked about where I work which is the same as most other places on this board, then expect me to say something. Without civil service protection you can risk ALOT.
I work when needed and do a great job maybe I can post up some "attboy" letters from my jacket. I simply don't look for minor shit.
BTW: Do all you guys work at Framingham state?

Posted Mon 16 Aug, 2004 19:28:

YOU are the reason why Campus Law Enforcement is the way it is WANNABE. To me making more doing less is a simple way of saying "yeah I'm lazy."

It's okay if you want to be "Campus Patrol" just don't come to a University and Campus Police forum and talk your Security/IPO non-sense. Especially to my Sergeant :lol:

#11

The only reason why I came in here is because I did a search for "Brandeis" to what as on here. Should I care that your sergeant posts on here? :roll:

 

[Wannabe1]

I guess for some making good $$$ and losing respect is the answer.

Good post until this little jab. Not sure exactely what you mean. If you are refering to me working at Brandeis as losing respect, then you are off. I mean if you think the average jerk thinks there is a difference between me working at my school and you working at yours, you are in fantasyland. In the general publics view, we are all security. Your cruiser says "Police" just like mine but how many times have you overheard your department refered to as "the security guys" by people who are not involved in law enforcement such as the parents of students. Yeah they may know you have arrest powers and what not but in their eyes you are not on the same level as a municipal or state department. If you say never then you are the very first campus PD that I have heard that about.

 

[Wannabe1]

Wannabe--yeah people may think of us as those "security guys" but it is the mentality of people like you that make them think that. You should have pride in your job and believe you are the police officer that you are and not just agree with the boneheads that call us Security. :BM:

Like me? Listen I have no problem acting like a cop when I have to and I am proud. I just hate coming on this site when people shit all over Brandeis when in many ways it is no different than a ton of other college jobs.
BTW: I do correct people when they call me a security guard.

 

[Wannabe1]

"The department, consisting of a chief, five sergeants, 12 police officers, two security officers, and three parking monitors, monitors the campus 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

Wannabe are you even a police officer at Brandeis?? Or are you just bitter because you are one of their security officers??? Cause that would truly explain a lot!! :^o

Lol Went to the website huh? right now we have 10 police officers which I am one of. We are putting on 3 more which will make 13. There are 4 Sgt.s. There is 1 Lt. There are 2 security guys and 4 parking moniotors. There you go... up to the minute facts.

Posted Wed 18 Aug, 2004 16:39:

Campus Law Enforcement has always had a dark cloud hanging over us, and we are always questioned if were "real" cops or not. Plain and simple we respond to the same calls that city/town cops do and we arrest/summons people just like city/town cops do, because we have the same powers they do on our respective campsues.

True. the reason is we will never have that same respect until there is a city or state name on the side of our car in front of the word POLICE. I do believe that we are police but different than a city or state agency and the fact that you admitted that 95% of us want to be either says that you feel the same. Sorry maybe that wasn't you, I think your whole department has responded to this. All you guys are fired up huh? I understand the whole have respect for yourself thing, which I do. We agree to disagree?

 

[Wannabe1]

Wannabe
Since you have so much time on your hands being a well paid lazy bum at Brandeis not wanting to do real police work because "it will ruin your career" why don't you go ahead and stimulate your lazy brain by updating your Department's website. :-k

What are you so mad about? the fact that I probably get paid more than you? I don't understand your hostility. Are you mad that most people don't view campus police as regular police? If that is the reason you have a long battle ahead my friend. You are gonna have to convince all who are not in the field 1 by 1. I do "real police work" when it occurs on my campus.

 

[Wannabe1]

Wannabe-- You do get paid a way lot more than me--but I could give two sh*ts. I could have your job in a heartbeat if I wanted it...But I don't. And I am not mad that other people view us as Security--it happens. I know that I am a Police Officer who acts like a Police Officer-bottom line--can you say that?

and not just agree with the boneheads that call us Security. :BM:

Seemed pretty fired up over the security thing here. oh well.

In a heartbeat huh? lol. You have an elitist attitude.This has become comical to me so I am done. You have your views and I have mine. Like I have said before, I agree to disagree. Take care Officer.

 

[Wannabe1]

I know that I am a Police Officer who acts like a Police Officer-bottom line--can you say that?

You do mean a CAMPUS police officer doing CAMPUS police work. There is a difference.

Thats just sooooo articulate AND enlightening at the same time. You and Wannabe are a real pair of Ph. D's
:wl: :A: :uc:

Sorry my point of view offends people here. I don't believe any campus is better than another. Most Campus Police want to me municipal or state officers. I work when there is work to do. I would rather get paid 60k instead of 30k until I get to where I want to be in this profession.

 

[Wannabe1]

Hey wannabe , you keep saying 60K vs 30K. Your base is probably 32-36K at Brandeis. The new level for state CPO 1 is from 28K-40+K maxed out. With details and OT state CPOs make probably same as you except that they are more legitimate than you. Oh by the way, my five years as a state CPO transfered over to municipal, does yours?

The unarmed University police patrol the campus on a regular basis and monitor closed circuit television coverage of specific public areas and parking lots.

That is right from your webiste and just about sums up all your duties. :lol:

lol.You are the reason why being a cop is this state is such a joke. Everyone thinks they are better than everyone else. That quote sums up the duties of just about every CAMPUS Police Department though I will admit It's missing a few things.
So you transferred to a municipal department huh? Gee while you were a CAMPUS cop you aspired to be municipal??? wow go figure...

BTW: Try 42k to start.

 

[Wannabe1]

We are not talking about one campus being better than another anymore, now the argument is the fact that some people obviously think COLLEGE Police work is not "real" like a town cop. I work as a full time cop at a college and part time in a town and I am just as busy at the college with "real police work." Maybe your department doesnt respond to domestics, fights, drug investigations, sexual assaults, and other "real" police calls, but we do, and I know many other College PD's do, so don't generalize and say College Police work isnt like real police work!

t: mpd61 email me or give me a call about BHCC, were you able to talk to your contact there?

Are you kidding me? We respond to all the same crap. How many times can I say that? WE RESPOND TO ALL THE SAME STUFF.

Posted Tue 24 Aug, 2004 19:03:

The unarmed University police patrol the campus on a regular basis and monitor closed circuit television coverage of specific public areas and parking lots.

That is right from your webiste and just about sums up all your duties. :lol:

University Police
One of the Department's five major offices, the University police are responsible for the protection of life and property on and within the confines of the 325 acres and 95 buildings that make up the environs of Brandeis University. The department, consisting of a chief, five sergeants, 12 police officers, two security officers, and three parking monitors, monitors the campus 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Headquartered in the Stoneman building, the University police provide emergency services to the Brandeis community via the most modern equipment available.

The unarmed University police patrol the campus on a regular basis and monitor closed circuit television coverage of specific public areas and parking lots. The jurisdiction of the Brandeis University Police officers includes the Main Campus, the Angleside and Charles River Road Residence Halls, property on Turner Street and Sibley Road and any other property belonging to the University. All University police officers are warranted under Chapter 22 C Section 63 of the Massachusetts General Laws after receiving formalized training in police sciences at the Massachusetts State Police Academy and/or the Massachusetts Criminal Justice Training Council. Each officer receives further specialized training through various federal, state, and local Criminal Justice Training Centers. The department continually sponsors in-service training programs for its members to keep them abreast of the latest in medical and police science techniques.

Can you at least post the whole thing instead of pulling a Michael Moore? [-X

1)I say that being a cop in this state is a joke because you have campus cops who think they are better than other campus cops. You have town cops who think they are better than other town cops. You don't find uppity attitudes in other states like you do in Mass. Go to California for example. All the cities and towns view each other as equals, all the colleges view each other as equals.Both know their roll. I know this because I saw it first hand when I went through the San Diego hiring process. If they were not in such a financial crisis I would move there in a second over taking a job in Mass.

2)Only 6k off lol. My starting base is 2k more than your max out.

3)Do all the chapter 90 you want. The fact remains that I will still see you in line at the civil service exam with me.

4)Does carrying a gun make you more of a cop?

5) I don't plan on leaving Brandeis anytime soon unless an even higher paying job comes up. In the end it comes down to making money and living my life outside of work to the highest possible level. In the end I view all police work as a JOB and thats all. So you guys can take your elitist views and try all you want to make people feel that they are less than you. I am happy at Brandeis and you guys must be happy where you work. You have your views and I have mine.Why can't we leave it at that? You say Brandeis is not the premier campus law enforcement job. That's fine, have you worked there? My view is campus law enforcement is that it does not have a premier location. The only thing that I could say one campus could have over another is if they send you to an MPOC instead of the SSPO, the pay and how good benies are. That will not change for me no matter what you type.

Once again. I agree to disagree can you guys?
I have been trying to end this stupid battle...