SPAM provides Detail Incident Forms to be compleated for any citation, crash, incident that happens. Not everyone does them, which is too bad. Hopefully all this extra media attention will urge some to use them. Do other departments do the same? Do the unions keep them as ammo for Flagman Bill time?
Another reason supporting Police at details
I recommend every police department keep track of any detail incident like we do. Today was a perfect example of why a flagman will never replace Police at details:
At approximately 1500 hrs Palmer PD issued a BOLO for a white Honda, stolen, wanted for 2 larcenies from local stores. About 15 minutes later a Trooper working a detail on the Pike spotted the vehicle and gave chase. It exited the Pike, rammed the cruiser, fled, damaged a civilian's vehicle in the process and fled onto a highway then city streets. The operator bailed and after a short foot chase was taken into custody by the MSP & Springfield PD. Discovered in the vehicle were the stolen items and 94C implements. Vehicle was recovered and returned to owner with minimal damage. Cruiser was not damaged bad.
At approximately 1500 hrs Palmer PD issued a BOLO for a white Honda, stolen, wanted for 2 larcenies from local stores. About 15 minutes later a Trooper working a detail on the Pike spotted the vehicle and gave chase. It exited the Pike, rammed the cruiser, fled, damaged a civilian's vehicle in the process and fled onto a highway then city streets. The operator bailed and after a short foot chase was taken into custody by the MSP & Springfield PD. Discovered in the vehicle were the stolen items and 94C implements. Vehicle was recovered and returned to owner with minimal damage. Cruiser was not damaged bad.
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Similar incident... In my town a BOLO went out for a car with 2 occupants wanted for B&E Nightime. An Officer working a road detail saw the vehicle and stopped it. The Officer did a good job stalling as he made it appear as a simple "License check" until 2 Cruisers arrived and took them into custody. :wink:
I think the critics also need to look at it from a Crime Prevention stand point also... Visibilty is key to being proactive, and (most) details make us VERY visible.
I think the critics also need to look at it from a Crime Prevention stand point also... Visibilty is key to being proactive, and (most) details make us VERY visible.
Depending on the detail it will also have its community policing benefits. You know, aside from some heavy construction the officer can still be approachable by the public.
RPD, that incident from Warren is also a good reminder of why guys on detail should still have their vest and full equiptment. I don't know how everytown is, but I have heard of guys going pretty light for a detail.
RPD, that incident from Warren is also a good reminder of why guys on detail should still have their vest and full equiptment. I don't know how everytown is, but I have heard of guys going pretty light for a detail.
Every town has its own rules... but many (mine included) only require you to wear your uniform with sidearm, cuffs, and radio. You do not have to wear full duty gear... Which is quite nice on a 90 degree day.
Worked a Baystate Gas detail the other day and was talking to the subcontractor, who also does work in NH. They have flagmen, who he deplores working with. He said they are usually low paid bottom feeders, who get no respect from motorists, as well as his work crews. This gentleman was a foreman and said that the flagmen are a waste of money and are completely useless. He is 100% behind PO roadway details.....
I especially like seeing the local guys' in their "bicycle uniforms" working details...very professional! For those of you who wear the "Hill Street Blues" uniform cover, i.e., the "baseball" cap: Get your uniform cover on...unless you are going to play baseball...it's no "cooler" in a temperature sense than your eight-point/round top...
Get into your regular uniform and try to look like a cop, and not some juvenile "skateboard" slacker...I know it's uncomfortable, but that's not why we got into this business...comfort is for lemmings'...suck-it-up and try to look like something other than a generation X/Y/Why scumbag!
Shorts = Slacker.
Nice pins, Barbie!
Get into your regular uniform and try to look like a cop, and not some juvenile "skateboard" slacker...I know it's uncomfortable, but that's not why we got into this business...comfort is for lemmings'...suck-it-up and try to look like something other than a generation X/Y/Why scumbag!
Shorts = Slacker.
Nice pins, Barbie!
Just my 2 cents... I grabbed an armed robbery suspect minutes after robbing a Brooks Pharmacy for Oxy's. Let's see a flagman do that. I actually once went by a flagman that was sitting in a lawnchair holding the stop sign. Yeah, that's someone your going to listen to.
The other problem that I think needs to be addressed is the cities/towns that make their detail rates so high, that it only makes for a bigger argument for flagmen. Some towns utilize overtime rates for details, so a top step lieutenant is out there charging $50+ an hour. Thats not right.
The other problem that I think needs to be addressed is the cities/towns that make their detail rates so high, that it only makes for a bigger argument for flagmen. Some towns utilize overtime rates for details, so a top step lieutenant is out there charging $50+ an hour. Thats not right.
Top step patrolman is more realistic, it's not so far out of wack as $50+ an hour is and you never have to bring it back up at bargaining, when you get a raise, your detail rate goes up simple.The other problem that I think needs to be addressed is the cities/towns that make their detail rates so high, that it only makes for a bigger argument for flagmen. Some towns utilize overtime rates for details, so a top step lieutenant is out there charging $50+ an hour. Thats not right.
As far as the uniform goes I agree the baseball hats look sloppy. Our old chief came up with some god awful summer uniform about 5 or 6 years ago (french blue polo, khaki baseball hat with khaki shorts) you would never know it was a cop :roll:
If a Lieutenant is working details, he is: (A) Living beyond his means, or (B) Greedy.
'nuff said.
(If he's there to "supervise" a detail of cops, cool...but if he's watching Boston Gas fix a leak...)
'nuff said.
(If he's there to "supervise" a detail of cops, cool...but if he's watching Boston Gas fix a leak...)
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!dcs2244 @ 27 Nov 2004 22:51 said:If a Lieutenant is working details, he is: (A) Living beyond his means, or (B) Greedy.
'nuff said.
(If he's there to "supervise" a detail of cops, cool...but if he's watching Boston Gas fix a leak...)
He could be paying child support, so cut him some slack geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:shock:
Then he should've stayed married until the welps were in college. Plan your life.
Usually by the time they make Lt., they're on their third marriage :lol: Lots of child support to pay by that time.. :wink:
Geez Dave-please speak your mind!!! I agree w/you. Another pet peeve-grungy ass orange rainjackets or regular length coats. I've seen more jackets smeared w/tar, grease, or looking like they've been peeled off the laundry ball with wrinkles....Or how about the old 400lb. retired specials w/the Wal-Mart velcro sneakers on....Looking for cans & bottles or talking to the contractors....DUH!
Watch out Dickie!!!!!!40th MPOC#309 @ 30 Nov 2004 05:10 said:Or how about the old 400lb. retired specials w/the Wal-Mart velcro sneakers on....Looking for cans & bottles or talking to the contractors....DUH!
You're only about 19 years from being a chubby special in velcro sneakers yourself!!!!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol:
ANOTHER good reason supporting police at details. . . . . . . .
Tuesday November 30, 2004 Chicopee: A Trooper working a road detail was made aware of a man slumped over the wheel of his pickup truck in the left lane of Rte 391 North in Chicopee, approximately 1000 feet behind where the Trooper was working. The Trooper requested assistance then ran to the vehicle. He dragged the man from the truck onto the left shoulder. Three more Troopers in the area arrived to assist. The man was unresponsive with shallow breathing and a rapid pulse. By the time the ambulance arrived, the Troopers succeeded in getting the man to regain responsiveness. He admitted to using heroin a short time earlier. Evidence was seized from the truck and the subject summoned for appropriate charges.
A JOB WELL DONE! =D>
Tuesday November 30, 2004 Chicopee: A Trooper working a road detail was made aware of a man slumped over the wheel of his pickup truck in the left lane of Rte 391 North in Chicopee, approximately 1000 feet behind where the Trooper was working. The Trooper requested assistance then ran to the vehicle. He dragged the man from the truck onto the left shoulder. Three more Troopers in the area arrived to assist. The man was unresponsive with shallow breathing and a rapid pulse. By the time the ambulance arrived, the Troopers succeeded in getting the man to regain responsiveness. He admitted to using heroin a short time earlier. Evidence was seized from the truck and the subject summoned for appropriate charges.
A JOB WELL DONE! =D>
Nothing like shooting up before hitting the open road :shock:He admitted to using heroin a short time earlier. Evidence was seized from the truck and the subject summoned for appropriate charges.
Most cops down south either work a part-time job, or hire themselves out as security "consultants" where they are in plainclothes but carry their weapon and department radio. It is an unofficial detail system, our way keeps it above board, and is safer for everyone involved. Add on the fact that the average price of a starter hom in MA is $300K+, and the towns and legislature need to pony up some dough before details go away.
Having said that, I must agree with mpdcam. I worked a few Sunday night highway details with local departments. Gil, the officers were doing a lot better than top step patrolman. Some of these guys could cover most of their rent with one 10-hour job.
Having said that, I must agree with mpdcam. I worked a few Sunday night highway details with local departments. Gil, the officers were doing a lot better than top step patrolman. Some of these guys could cover most of their rent with one 10-hour job.
Hey, 40th, how about the orange raincoats and blue campaign covers that are almost white from "detail sun exposure"! 
Ball cap or not at least the locals are out side of their cars while working a detail unlike the super troopers.I especially like seeing the local guys' in their "bicycle uniforms" working details...very professional! For those of you who wear the "Hill Street Blues" uniform cover, i.e., the "baseball" cap: Get your uniform cover on...unless you are going to play baseball...it's no "cooler" in a temperature sense than your eight-point/round top...
Get into your regular uniform and try to look like a cop, and not some juvenile "skateboard" slacker...I know it's uncomfortable, but that's not why we got into this business...comfort is for lemmings'...suck-it-up and try to look like something other than a generation X/Y/Why scumbag!
Shorts = Slacker.
Nice pins, Barbie!
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