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I can guarantee it wasn't an isolated incident and that it did happen. I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. I could have gone back for the 79th but financially I couldn't though I definitely wanted to. Its a lot of suck and it was expected but there is definitely a lot of BS that doesn't add to the high stress training and I've been to alot schools that have drop out rates that are even higher. The DIs are lacking IMO get some more mature and senior troopers as DIs and it may or may not solve the problem but you definitely can't justify some of the BS that goes on.
Bottom line they definitely need more structure and leadership running the SPA but the program produces Troopers who are prepared for whatever will present itself in a long career. So while changes should be made you cannot make it easier if you want to produce quality proffesionals who will get the job done.
 

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It's nice to use something like this as an excuse after quitting. It sounds better than the old "It wasn't for me" and tends to gain more support for the quitter.
So true. Falls under the same category as all of the OUI arrests who were "on medication for asthma". It simply wasn't their fault, you see. They are a victim of circumstances.

Excuses are like a$$holes, everybody has one.

And they are all BORING.:sl:
 

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Blondie said:
I can guarantee it wasn't an isolated incident and that it did happen. I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. (like...running?)I could have gone back for the 79th, but financially I couldn't; although I definitely wanted to. It's a lot of suck (?)and it was expected, but there is (was) definitely a lot of BS that doesn't (didn't) add to the high stress training. (and) I've been to alot schools that have drop out rates that are even higher. The DIs are lacking, (IMO) get some more mature (and senior) troopers as DIs. (and it) That may or may not solve the problem, but you definitely can't justify some of the BS that goes on.
Bottom line: they definitely need more structure and leadership running the SPA. (but) The program produces Troopers who are prepared for whatever will present itself in a long career.(???) So while changes should be made, you cannot make it easier if you want to produce quality proffesionals who will get the job done.
I've been to alot of schools that have drop out rates that are even higher
For journalism, presumably.

I may have appreciated your opinion if I could have understood it.

More excuses:musicboo:
 

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Let the weeping and "gnashing of teeth" begin..."I coulda/woulda/shoulda been a trooper BUT...":musicboo:
 

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Blondie said:
I can guarantee it wasn't an isolated incident and that it did happen. I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. I could have gone back for the 79th but financially I couldn't though I definitely wanted to. Its a lot of suck and it was expected but there is definitely a lot of BS that doesn't add to the high stress training and I've been to alot schools that have drop out rates that are even higher. The DIs are lacking IMO get some more mature and senior troopers as DIs and it may or may not solve the problem but you definitely can't justify some of the BS that goes on.
Bottom line they definitely need more structure and leadership running the SPA but the program produces Troopers who are prepared for whatever will present itself in a long career. So while changes should be made you cannot make it easier if you want to produce quality proffesionals who will get the job done.
Sounds like some your making excuses. The old finance excuse. You were good to start the 78th and got hurt. You didn't want to go back because you couldn't hang PERIOD.
 

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I think that today is the hardest day for the trainees...they have to actually return to the SPA environment...even though they now know what it entails! It would be easier to just stay there for the weekends...
 
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Sounds like some your making excuses. The old finance excuse. You were good to start the 78th and got hurt. You didn't want to go back because you couldn't hang PERIOD.
Excuse opinions everybodies got them whatever! Try 9months with not working and tell me you could support a family on the stipend. I had banked savings for the 1st 6months with stipend but it had to last me 9 months without a stipend and it all gone now. No disability or unemployment from MSP or previous job since I had resigned so tough luck to me. I accepted that when I left and went to the SPA and knew the risks sometimes it doesn't work out if it had come along 5 months earlier but after a second mortgae to pay bills there are no resources left.
I hung and wouldn't have left a cushy job if I couldn't hang shit happens. Just like shit happens to you on the job you just adjust your sights and take aim if you can't understand that your very narrow minded.

MSP Training is tough for a reason and I wouldn't have wanted to go if it wasn't thats what makes it what it is. Everyone who graduated should be proud to have made it through and deserve the respect that goes with it but that doesn't mean that there aren't improvements to be made and a plate to be stepped up to. Just as they want trainees to step up so should the training.
I've said my peace just watching the count as I have friends in there right now. Who told me to look here. Hadn't heard of this place till this weekend.
 

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Ok I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents....A friend of mine quit( last class) because the D.I's were telling him to put on someone else's shitty drawers....Now I don't see the need to put on someone else's crappy underwear! What the hell does that have to do with being a good Trooper? It's a matter of hygeine, Who knows what you could catch! That's nasty! :up:
You are absolutely right, it has nothing to do about being a good Trooper and thats because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!! Your so called friend is a liar and had to think up a good story to make himself look better than a QUITTER!!!! I WAS THERE, IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!:fire:
 

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You are absolutely right, it has nothing to do about being a good Trooper and thats because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!! Your so called friend is a liar and had to think up a good story to make himself look better than a QUITTER!!!! I WAS THERE, IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!:fire:
Very well put! I was there too, it definitely never happened!!!

BigIrish would back us up on here too, but they're reading his posts at the barracks :lol:
 

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Make a timed 5 mile run a pre-requisite to getting into the academy.
DEA has a 2 miler, be innovative, ramp up the quals so that those that make it into the academy have a better chance of making it through, barring injuries.
Since that is what you run while you are in there anyway.
Then get top notch physical trainning to work those injuries, since those that made it now DESERVE the best, as they proved themselves to be able to make the run.
Make whine mile, mile 5.
No surprises/just hit you in the face, so to speak..
Include situp, push-up, and bench into the mix.
Take out the bathroom games, and there are several.
Get top notch DI's with military experience.
It's a waste of everyones time and money when someone drops.
As I have said in previous posts, dropouts add mystique to their image.
I hope things change for the better or worse, just hope it changes.
 

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Ok I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents....A friend of mine quit( last class) because the D.I's were telling him to put on someone else's shitty drawers....Now I don't see the need to put on someone else's crappy underwear! What the hell does that have to do with being a good Trooper? It's a matter of hygeine, Who knows what you could catch! That's nasty! :up:

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You are absolutely right, it has nothing to do about being a good Trooper and thats because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!! Your so called friend is a liar and had to think up a good story to make himself look better than a QUITTER!!!! I WAS THERE, IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!:fire:******

I'm glad someone said it! I knew your friend before the 78th started (if we're talking about the pu**y that spoke to the Herald). He needed an out and made that stuff up. Everyone needs to know the truth and I can't say it any better than you just did, IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!

Carry on
 
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So glad that your paltry weeks in the training environment have qualified you to pass such critical judgement. Forget about the decades of experience and thousands of recruits, here's Blondie to tell the MSP how it's done. Go back under your rock, Dagwood needs a sandwich.
Well I have been an Instructor in a couple of Military schools that I know at least few Troopers had been to in their Military time and will gladly boast that they graduated and tell you it was the best training they ever had but it is definitely military training and not paramilitary police training so the focus and goals are different but training principles and standards are not.

Believe what you want the facts are it happened. I didn't come here to post degrading comments so please don't subject me to such childish comments. Denial doesn't suit the MSP, action to correct the deficiencies does.
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Blondie said:
Believe what you want the facts are it happened.
No, it is not a "fact".

The "swirlie" thing happened, it was an isolated incident and it has been dealt with.

You are grouping allegations together. The other garabge was just that; the lies of the weak who couldn't hack it.

I can tell you from personal experience that that stuff is NOT institutional.
 

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Blondie said:
Believe what you want the facts are it happened.
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If you are going to post supposedly a fact, then get your facts straight!!!!! The FACT is that it DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!!! That IS FACT!!!! If you werent there when it supposedly happened,which it didnt, than how can you say it is fact!!!! Just by taking what was said in the paper, by a liar, that it should be considered fact?? I was there, in more ways than one, and i can assure ANYONE that something like that NEVER happened. With the lying and making up such a ridiculous story, he should have become a fiction novelist instead of a trying to become a cop. With that made up story, he had a lot of people going with that one. If he would put his imaginary stories on paperback, he could make some serious $$$$$$.
 
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