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To be fair to that department, just because they chose someone else, doesn't mean there was nepotism involved. It actually makes sense to choose a qualified candidate from that community because there is significantly less of a chance he's only using that department as a stepping stone (something they must see from the majority of mass applicants).
Same thing with Londonderry, the test was easy so a lot of people crushed it and the PT is pass fail.

I took Londonderry over 9 years ago. It was a scored test. Not a pass fail. I have no idea how they do it now. Either way I apparently got lost in the candidate shuffle. It happens to all of us.

Definitely not saying "hookups" don't happen, but I feel as if it's the exception, and not the rule.
You're talking out both sides of your mouth. If you're going by strictly the score, I scored higher, I was the best candidate on paper. Every department can bypass for whatever reason they choose. You have no right of appeal. The definition of nepotism was what I just posted. I had family in the area, so saying I wasn't taking the test on a whim.
Having a hook definitely helps. You're out of your mind if you think it doesn't. I have seen kids get hired simply by word of mouth. This isn't my first day, I took tests for several years before getting OTJ, like many other members here.
 

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You're talking out both sides of your mouth. If you're going by strictly the score, I scored higher, I was the best candidate on paper. Every department can bypass for whatever reason they choose. You have no right of appeal. The definition of nepotism was what I just posted. I had family in the area, so saying I wasn't taking the test on a whim.
Having a hook definitely helps. You're out of your mind if you think it doesn't. I have seen kids get hired simply by word of mouth. This isn't my first day, I took tests for several years before getting OTJ, like many other members here.
How did you know you scored higher? They don't release their list. But more importantly, a high test score alone does not mean you'll be the best candidate. They simply had a test to determine who to interview and then they chose the best candidate (in their opinion) out of the people who scored highest. I'm not saying nepotism doesn't happen, but you can't claim that every time you don't get a job. And maybe those kids that got hired by word of mouth were great candidates. Who knows, I don't know them.
 

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How did you know you scored higher? They don't release their list. But more importantly, a high test score alone does not mean you'll be the best candidate. They simply had a test to determine who to interview and then they chose the best candidate (in their opinion) out of the people who scored highest. I'm not saying nepotism doesn't happen, but you can't claim that every time you don't get a job. And maybe those kids that got hired by word of mouth were
great candidates. Who knows, I don't know them.
And most of that is anecdotal. I know about 8 guys that got on in my city. No hooks, no military. They just got jobs in corrections/sheriffs department/hospital security and made themselves more appealing to departments. My main point is, there are a lot of young guys on here that are still looking to get on. Far too often people are discouraging by blaming the departments/civil service. I'm saying the opposite. Take responsibility, improve yourself, and make it more difficult for a department to bypass you.
 

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I've been turned down from just about every LEO job I've ever applied to other than the Rangers… on the plus side I did get picked up by Boston Public School PD a few days ago with that being said I got a 93 on the test and even with that and my history and the BPD officers and academy staff I know I still am not placing all my chips on getting on Boston.
 

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I've been turned down from just about every LEO job I've ever applied to other than the Rangers… on the plus side I did get picked up by Boston Public School PD a few days ago with that being said I got a 93 on the test and even with that and my history and the BPD officers and academy staff I know I still am not placing all my chips on getting on Boston.
Congrats on the new job
 

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I've been turned down from just about every LEO job I've ever applied to other than the Rangers… on the plus side I did get picked up by Boston Public School PD a few days ago with that being said I got a 93 on the test and even with that and my history and the BPD officers and academy staff I know I still am not placing all my chips on getting on Boston.
I'll be very unhappy if you don't get on. From the sound of things that 93 sounds like a pretty good mark. Congrats on the school gig. It's a start. At least your on the city payroll. ;)

Good luck with BPD !
 

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I've been turned down from just about every LEO job I've ever applied to other than the Rangers… on the plus side I did get picked up by Boston Public School PD a few days ago with that being said I got a 93 on the test and even with that and my history and the BPD officers and academy staff I know I still am not placing all my chips on getting on Boston.
vet status & a 93 = you'll be in the first class off the new list. The first classes from the 2011 & 2013 CS exams had civilians in them meaning they went through all of the veterans.
 

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Then learn how the test is scored. A lot of people have increased their score by choosing strongly agree/strongly disagree. That's just one tip, but there are plenty of tricks to doing better on tests.
That's your answer? Learn how the test is scored? Are you fuckin serious? Like there's some fuckin hotline you call to find out the scoring criteria for a personality/work styles profile. Right.

I guarantee that I crushed the entire section of the test that was skill based, every time. Know how I know? Because I crushed other similar tests... EVERY TIME. Scored in the top 5 for one particular department, twice, on a non-CS test. It's not hard.

Add in arbitrary questions about whether you like to "close your office door at work" or whether you've had a "verbal argument with a co-worker" and score that? That's BULLSHIT.

PS- EVERYBODY knows the strongly agree/strongly disagree trick. Looks like CS caught on this time.
 

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That's your answer? Learn how the test is scored? Are you fuckin serious? Like there's some fuckin hotline you call to find out the scoring criteria for a personality/work styles profile. Right.

I guarantee that I crushed the entire section of the test that was skill based, every time. Know how I know? Because I crushed other similar tests... EVERY TIME. Scored in the top 5 for one particular department, twice, on a non-CS test. It's not hard.

Add in arbitrary questions about whether you like to "close your office door at work" or whether you've had a "verbal argument with a co-worker" and score that? That's BULLSHIT.

PS- EVERYBODY knows the strongly agree/strongly disagree trick. Looks like CS caught on this time.
Umm... This is awkward. You do realize that the field of psychology was not created by civil service, right? Certain psychological profiles are a better for for law enforcement, that's all. All you have to do is determine what that profile is and answer accordingly. How are people getting 99's and 100's everytime? Think about that. But they didn't change the strongly agree section. If you call civil service (aka the hotline) they would tell you that lifestyles/personality section was weighted higher this time, which is where most mistakes are made. Not too difficult to figure out.
But you have to realize that not everyone is fit for law enforcement. Some people just never want to admit that, so they blame cs/the department.
 

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Umm... This is awkward. You do realize that the field of psychology was not created by civil service, right? Certain psychological profiles are a better for for law enforcement, that's all. All you have to do is determine what that profile is and answer accordingly. How are people getting 99's and 100's everytime? Think about that. But they didn't change the strongly agree section. If you call civil service (aka the hotline) they would tell you that lifestyles/personality section was weighted higher this time, which is where most mistakes are made. Not too difficult to figure out.
But you have to realize that not everyone is fit for law enforcement. Some people just never want to admit that, so they blame cs/the department.
Right... CS is the epitome of helpful, and gives away the logic behind their rationale in scoring. It's not like they just this year decided to change the scoring criteria or anything...

But sure, somehow find out the secret recipe for how CS wants to grade and weight their psych section this time, and answer appropriately.
 

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Right... CS is the epitome of helpful, and gives away the logic behind their rationale in scoring. It's not like they just this year decided to change the scoring criteria or anything...

But sure, somehow find out the secret recipe for how CS wants to grade and weight their psych section this time, and answer appropriately.
I just told you they changed the weight of a couple sections, what's so confusing about that? Some people need to stop trying to "beat" the personality part, and just accept they shouldn't be in policing.

And FYI, the correct answer was clearly "leave your office door open". What kind of psycho would answer differently?
 

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scores this time were low, but not nearly low enough for a 75 to be average. But if your argument is "I swear I answered the questions right", you don't really have much of an appeal. No one left thinking they answered most of them incorrectly. People need to stop blaming the test/nepotism. Accept you scored poorly and figure out what you need to do to increase your score on the next test.
Honestly I have no clue what I did wrong. If there were any way to know I'd feel atleast at ease, and for a $100 dollar test that takes 6 months to grade i'd expect that, at the least. In terms of an appeal, do I just send them an e-mail back? I'm confused about that work history portion in the e-mail.

Did you not read the thread? Go back a few pages...
Yes, read through the whole thing. Didn't see anything specific.
 

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Honestly I have no clue what I did wrong. If there were any way to know I'd feel atleast at ease, and for a $100 dollar test that takes 6 months to grade i'd expect that, at the least. In terms of an appeal, do I just send them an e-mail back? I'm confused about that work history portion in the e-mail.

Yes, read through the whole thing. Didn't see anything specific.
If you want to appeal your employment points just send them an email (that being points you receive for previous police experience). Otherwise I don't think there's much of an appeal process. They only give you a copy of your answer sheet and not the questions. And I think they mentioned that you can't appeal whether or not you completely filled in the bubbles 100%. Basically a test appeal is pointless unless you remembered all the questions in order.
 

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I just told you they changed the weight of a couple sections, what's so confusing about that? Some people need to stop trying to "beat" the personality part, and just accept they shouldn't be in policing.

And FYI, the correct answer was clearly "leave your office door open". What kind of psycho would answer differently?
We went over the MMPI when I was getting my cj degree. It's basically just giving answers that go along with the personality profile that would make a good cop. After a little research it was relatively easy. Haven't got less than a 98 yet. Not that it really mattered because of all the vets on the list now.
 

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If you want to appeal your employment points just send them an email (that being points you receive for previous police experience). Otherwise I don't think there's much of an appeal process. They only give you a copy of your answer sheet and not the questions. And I think they mentioned that you can't appeal whether or not you completely filled in the bubbles 100%. Basically a test appeal is pointless unless you remembered all the questions in order.
Ah, I see, thanks alot. Guess I'm assed out for the time being. Being as how I breezed through the first portion of the test i'm going to assume it's the work style questionnaire/personality questions that got me. Still pretty disappointed at the 75 though, I don't even know what to do from here on out.
 

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After reading all these comments about "personality profile" stuff on the Civil Service test, I can't help but wonder.... shouldn't that type of thing be done by a background investigator who actually interviews a candidate and not leave it up to something so subjective as questions on a written test? There's got to be a better way.

(I took two Civil Service tests back in the 80s and they didn't have the personality stuff on the tests back then, at least not that I remember.)
 

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1. Anyone know if the cs list gets updated periodically over the two year period. For example, as people are hired off my town list will their names be removed from the list?

2. My town only hires reserve officers. While these guys are working as reserves will they still get offers from other departments and possibly leave the reserve gig for a full time one?

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After reading all these comments about "personality profile" stuff on the Civil Service test, I can't help but wonder.... shouldn't that type of thing be done by a background investigator who actually interviews a candidate and not leave it up to something so subjective as questions on a written test? There's got to be a better way.

(I took two Civil Service tests back in the 80s and they didn't have the personality stuff on the tests back then, at least not that I remember.)
A background investigator wouldn't necessarily uncover as much as a comprehensive personality assesment would. These tests are very specific and measure traits like cynicism, antisocial behavior, demoralization, Etc. I guess it makes the test a more rounded judge of a candidate as opposed to back when they were more like straight IQ tests. Plus this gives an edge to a candidate that has a great disposition for law enforcement, but might not test as well as others.
 
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