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Discussion in 'Civil Service' started by Rob720, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. felony

    felony MassCops Member

    You're talking out both sides of your mouth. If you're going by strictly the score, I scored higher, I was the best candidate on paper. Every department can bypass for whatever reason they choose. You have no right of appeal. The definition of nepotism was what I just posted. I had family in the area, so saying I wasn't taking the test on a whim.
    Having a hook definitely helps. You're out of your mind if you think it doesn't. I have seen kids get hired simply by word of mouth. This isn't my first day, I took tests for several years before getting OTJ, like many other members here.
     
  2. SouthShoreBrother

    SouthShoreBrother MassCops Member

    How did you know you scored higher? They don't release their list. But more importantly, a high test score alone does not mean you'll be the best candidate. They simply had a test to determine who to interview and then they chose the best candidate (in their opinion) out of the people who scored highest. I'm not saying nepotism doesn't happen, but you can't claim that every time you don't get a job. And maybe those kids that got hired by word of mouth were great candidates. Who knows, I don't know them.
     
  3. SouthShoreBrother

    SouthShoreBrother MassCops Member

    And most of that is anecdotal. I know about 8 guys that got on in my city. No hooks, no military. They just got jobs in corrections/sheriffs department/hospital security and made themselves more appealing to departments. My main point is, there are a lot of young guys on here that are still looking to get on. Far too often people are discouraging by blaming the departments/civil service. I'm saying the opposite. Take responsibility, improve yourself, and make it more difficult for a department to bypass you.
     
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  4. JD02124

    JD02124 Supporting Member

    I've been turned down from just about every LEO job I've ever applied to other than the Rangers… on the plus side I did get picked up by Boston Public School PD a few days ago with that being said I got a 93 on the test and even with that and my history and the BPD officers and academy staff I know I still am not placing all my chips on getting on Boston.
     
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  5. SouthShoreBrother

    SouthShoreBrother MassCops Member

    Congrats on the new job
     
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  6. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    I'll be very unhappy if you don't get on. From the sound of things that 93 sounds like a pretty good mark. Congrats on the school gig. It's a start. At least your on the city payroll. ;)

    Good luck with BPD !
     
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  7. USAF3424

    USAF3424 MassCops Member

    vet status & a 93 = you'll be in the first class off the new list. The first classes from the 2011 & 2013 CS exams had civilians in them meaning they went through all of the veterans.
     
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  8. Pvt. Cowboy

    Pvt. Cowboy Lemme take a selfie Staff Member

    That's your answer? Learn how the test is scored? Are you fuckin serious? Like there's some fuckin hotline you call to find out the scoring criteria for a personality/work styles profile. Right.

    I guarantee that I crushed the entire section of the test that was skill based, every time. Know how I know? Because I crushed other similar tests... EVERY TIME. Scored in the top 5 for one particular department, twice, on a non-CS test. It's not hard.

    Add in arbitrary questions about whether you like to "close your office door at work" or whether you've had a "verbal argument with a co-worker" and score that? That's BULLSHIT.

    PS- EVERYBODY knows the strongly agree/strongly disagree trick. Looks like CS caught on this time.
     
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  9. SouthShoreBrother

    SouthShoreBrother MassCops Member

    Umm... This is awkward. You do realize that the field of psychology was not created by civil service, right? Certain psychological profiles are a better for for law enforcement, that's all. All you have to do is determine what that profile is and answer accordingly. How are people getting 99's and 100's everytime? Think about that. But they didn't change the strongly agree section. If you call civil service (aka the hotline) they would tell you that lifestyles/personality section was weighted higher this time, which is where most mistakes are made. Not too difficult to figure out.
    But you have to realize that not everyone is fit for law enforcement. Some people just never want to admit that, so they blame cs/the department.
     
  10. Pvt. Cowboy

    Pvt. Cowboy Lemme take a selfie Staff Member

    Right... CS is the epitome of helpful, and gives away the logic behind their rationale in scoring. It's not like they just this year decided to change the scoring criteria or anything...

    But sure, somehow find out the secret recipe for how CS wants to grade and weight their psych section this time, and answer appropriately.
     
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  11. SouthShoreBrother

    SouthShoreBrother MassCops Member

    I just told you they changed the weight of a couple sections, what's so confusing about that? Some people need to stop trying to "beat" the personality part, and just accept they shouldn't be in policing.

    And FYI, the correct answer was clearly "leave your office door open". What kind of psycho would answer differently?
     
  12. Crazy Otto

    Crazy Otto Working for the clampdown

    You and me both. It's the proverbial train wreck. Just can't help myself.
     
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  13. DFG212

    DFG212 MassCops Member

    Honestly I have no clue what I did wrong. If there were any way to know I'd feel atleast at ease, and for a $100 dollar test that takes 6 months to grade i'd expect that, at the least. In terms of an appeal, do I just send them an e-mail back? I'm confused about that work history portion in the e-mail.

    Yes, read through the whole thing. Didn't see anything specific.
     
  14. Roadhouse69

    Roadhouse69 MassCops Member

    If you want to appeal your employment points just send them an email (that being points you receive for previous police experience). Otherwise I don't think there's much of an appeal process. They only give you a copy of your answer sheet and not the questions. And I think they mentioned that you can't appeal whether or not you completely filled in the bubbles 100%. Basically a test appeal is pointless unless you remembered all the questions in order.
     
  15. Roadhouse69

    Roadhouse69 MassCops Member

    We went over the MMPI when I was getting my cj degree. It's basically just giving answers that go along with the personality profile that would make a good cop. After a little research it was relatively easy. Haven't got less than a 98 yet. Not that it really mattered because of all the vets on the list now.
     
  16. DFG212

    DFG212 MassCops Member

    Ah, I see, thanks alot. Guess I'm assed out for the time being. Being as how I breezed through the first portion of the test i'm going to assume it's the work style questionnaire/personality questions that got me. Still pretty disappointed at the 75 though, I don't even know what to do from here on out.
     
  17. LA Copper

    LA Copper Subscribing Member

    After reading all these comments about "personality profile" stuff on the Civil Service test, I can't help but wonder.... shouldn't that type of thing be done by a background investigator who actually interviews a candidate and not leave it up to something so subjective as questions on a written test? There's got to be a better way.

    (I took two Civil Service tests back in the 80s and they didn't have the personality stuff on the tests back then, at least not that I remember.)
     
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  18. WirePro_Joe

    WirePro_Joe MassCops Member

    1. Anyone know if the cs list gets updated periodically over the two year period. For example, as people are hired off my town list will their names be removed from the list?

    2. My town only hires reserve officers. While these guys are working as reserves will they still get offers from other departments and possibly leave the reserve gig for a full time one?

    Thanks in advance
     
  19. Roadhouse69

    Roadhouse69 MassCops Member

    A background investigator wouldn't necessarily uncover as much as a comprehensive personality assesment would. These tests are very specific and measure traits like cynicism, antisocial behavior, demoralization, Etc. I guess it makes the test a more rounded judge of a candidate as opposed to back when they were more like straight IQ tests. Plus this gives an edge to a candidate that has a great disposition for law enforcement, but might not test as well as others.
     
  20. MiamiVice

    MiamiVice MassCops Member

    Ooo oooo he's back

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  21. Pvt. Cowboy

    Pvt. Cowboy Lemme take a selfie Staff Member

    Maybe you should just apologize, without the smarmy "I did nothing wrong!" part and we may enlighten you.
     
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  22. pahapoika

    pahapoika Subscribing Member

    I don't think this new "personality" segment of the test will change anything. People will find out how to answer it and the test scores will go back up. Sucks that civil circus sabotaged this last group of test takers, but if your young enough just keep taking it and things should improve.

    I would like to see the test go back to the old "blue book" style. You studied a book on laws and department policy and tested off of that. At least then new hires had a running knowledge of the job.

    Of course this was contested by a "certain" group and we got the multiple choice, 100 questions and 10 grade reading level that i took for years :rolleyes:
     
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  23. Roadhouse69

    Roadhouse69 MassCops Member

    Were people sabotaged? Maybe the scores, even though lower on average, are still in the order they would have been. My understanding of the new grading system was that it was intended to shrink the bands of applicants with the same score. It looks like it worked.
     
  24. Danusmc0321

    Danusmc0321 MassCops Member

    Is this a preview of what your gonna do if you become a cop. Let shit bother you for almost two weeks and try and figure out why some guy called you a fuckface on the side of the road. If that's the case, then maybe police work is not for you.
     
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  25. MiamiVice

    MiamiVice MassCops Member

    I feel like the bus should be kept idling around the corner............

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