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Discussion in 'New England' started by kwflatbed, Sep 1, 2007.
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There is one in every crowd. If someone was that dangerous there is no way they would be reinstated to the job.
Bruce - have you ever ran into one of these douche bags who disseminate ridiculous comments about you on The Ledger's website with the balls to say anything to your face?
As I mentioned before, there are many twists & turns to that case that don't need to be made public, because it's pointless now that it's settled.
Suffice to say that if I really believed she did what you read in the papers, I wouldn't have advocated for her reinstatement.
Number of deputy sheriffs growing to increase mutual aid powers across South Shore
By Jennifer Mann
The Patriot Ledger
Posted Dec 16, 2008 @ 05:57 AM
About 40 Quincy police patrol officers are walking around the city today with a new job title: deputy sheriff.
They join a growing cadre of police officers across the South Shore who have been given the deputy’s badge as a way to cut down on red tape, save money and make mutual aid between communities easier.
In Quincy, patrol officers have traditionally needed approval from a supervisor before making an arrest across the city’s lines. Being deputy sheriffs gives them the power to make that arrest without pause.
“Until that supervisor formally requested our assistance, we’d have no more jurisdiction than a regular citizen,” said Officer Bruce Tait, who is president of the Quincy patrol officers’ union. “It’s nice to know we now have the official jurisdiction.”
Norfolk County Sheriff Michael Bellotti swore in the large group of patrol officers on Monday. That now makes 114 Quincy officers who have cross-jurisdictional abilities, when counting all of the department’s detectives who already had the status.
Bellotti said a ceremony like the one in Quincy never would have happened six or seven years ago. But, responding to calls from local police chiefs, and recognizing the evolving nature of a police officer’s job, he began offering the swearing-ins regularly in recent years.
The sheriff has deputized 449 officers across Norfolk County, including 92 in Weymouth, 58 in Milton and 22 in Randolph. Bellotti said some police chiefs make it mandatory for all their officers, while others keep it on a volunteer-basis or do it by appointment.
“The walls between law enforcement agencies are coming down rapidly because of limited budgets and evolving technology,” Bellotti said. “The goal is to give them strengthened police powers ... (and) for me, it’s another opportunity to reinforce that we’re there to support our local police.”
Marshfield Police Capt. Phil Tavares said a number of detectives and supervising officers from towns in Plymouth County were recently sworn in as both Norfolk County and Plymouth County deputy sheriffs so they would have police powers in both counties.
Tavares has been a Plymouth County deputy sheriff for about 10 years.
“That is done and has been done as a regular basis for as long as I know,” he said.
Quincy has a formal mutual aid agreement with one other community, Milton, but even then, mutual aid has to be formally requested before jurisdiction carries over to another town, Tait said.
Tait recalled several instances where the wait for an OK could have had a detrimental impact, but fortunately did not.
There was an incident last year when he was called to the scene of a fiery drunken driving crash on Quincy Avenue. The caller had phoned Quincy police not realizing it was across the Braintree line. Tait was the first to get there, and it took a good five minutes before Braintree police could get over from another big incident to which they had to respond.
“The suspect was cooperative, which was fortunate since I had no more authority to arrest him than the bystanders who stopped to help,” Tait said. “That's the exact type of incident where being deputized comes in handy, because in good conscience, I couldn't look at the smoking wreckage from Quincy and not respond.”
While I've heard of cross swearing w/ neighboring towns, swearing in munis as deputies never crossed my mind.
Do you guys get any extra training for this, such as going over the lack of 90/21 powers, etc.?
Another backdoor attempt by the Sheriffs to try and undermine the State Police. Sheriff Badges for sale! Come and get your state wide authority without going through the SPA!
First off, I don't think any chief worth his salt is gonna want his guys routinely patrolling outside of their minuicipal boundaries. Sheriffs authority is also limited to counties, not the ENTIRE state. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I think the sincere motive here was cross boundry support on high resource and mutual aid incidents, not a underhanded attempt to rattle the brass in Framingham.
I will add though, I would think the sheriff can state he now has x# more deputies, increasing the size of the dept on paper. Would this "bigger dept" then increase the eligibility for certain federal LE grants? Hmmmm....
All you bastards in Norfolk County better mind your P's and Q's now....there's a new deputy sheriff in town.
It's only for emergencies like the incident I mentioned in the article; it's not like we're going to be running radar in Braintree or Weymouth.
If I wanted to be a state trooper, I would have taken the exam. Contrary to what the Kool-Aid bartenders in New Braintree may have told you, the rights of arrest for a police officer are the same from Pittsfield to Boston.
This is not a back door attempt from the sheriff to grab power it actually was done to help in over the line emergencies, violations we see right on our borders(that the court said we can't enforce until the legislators fix cross juridictional problems not going to hold my breath) and to cover officers when they work out of the city.
I guess this now makes me the only anti-sheriff guy in MassCops town.
I've always been a big supporter of Sheriff Bellotti; he assists, rather than interferes with, local police departments. I've said more than once here that other sheriffs should look to how things are run in Norfolk County.
If the legislature ever wakes up and passes a peace officer statute, I'll turn in my deputy sheriff ID the next day. Until then, it's nice to know that when I cross the line into a neighboring town to check on another officer making a traffic stop, I won't feel like I'm sneaking out of my parent's house after curfew.
Just be careful being in bed with the sheriff. The one you like today may not be elected in the next election. Then you may end up with a power hungry sheriff who uses what has been done, (all be it with the best of intentions) in an attempt to increase his power of patrol in your comunity with under trained sign holders!!!
Funny, now I eat sleep and drink the MSP Kool-Aid - ok, well they pay for it... but I see this move as a way to allow say, a Quincy officer to be involved with a situation that crosses town lines, and the arrest will still be 'valid' in our retarded court system.
Was it not last year that Brockton chased violent gun toting/firing felons into the City of Presidents? What if Quincy is involved in a similar situation, or any other town, and they have to ask special please can we come to your town and arrest these bad people?
If its the only way to legally make arrest stick across city/town boundaries, then have at it!
Till the retards in the State House man-up and make some laws with actual bite.
Wouldnt the above be covered under fresh and continued pursuit though.
It would be and it would also be covered because it would be a felony.
Right again. As a police officer you can arrest for a felony anywhere in the state.
As far as misdemeanors go, I'll defer to the State and the Deputies.
As far as Chapter 90 goes, not interested either.
Not familiar with the Norfolk Sheriff but, elected today is gone tomorrow. Making a deal with the sheriff is like making a deal with the devil. (But then again, different strokes for different folks.)
Where I work the deputies are forever trying to play cop.
We recently tossed another one off of a road job when he was playing where he was not supposed to.
Let's not hope that someday the Sheriff of Norfolk County doesn't some day decide to flex his muscle or even worse, toss grant money at certain departments where they end up bending over for it.
It would, but read the example I gave in the article. I was sent to a call in Braintree because the cell phone caller didn't know where they were, and I came upon a bad head-on crash. The operator that crossed the center line was absolutely hammered; beer cans falling out of the remains of his car.
Now, there was no mutual aid request because we found out about it before Braintree PD did. So, if I had to forcibly detain the suspect, any lawyer worth his/her salt would jump at the fact I was nearly a mile out of my jurisdiction. There was no fatality, so it was a past misdemeanor, not in my presence.
As I said before, this is just for emergency situations. With everyone's budgets cut, we're going to have to rely on each other more & more. The state police uniformed patrols in my area are skeleton crews at best, and the days of the Mets being everywhere are long gone. I said to the reporter, which didn't make it into the story, that we're always going to take action to help another cop or help/protect someone, regardless of where they are. Now, it's just nice to have the official authority to do it.
You're not very familiar with politics in these parts. Mike Bellotti is sheriff for life if he wants it, and he wants no part in starting his own police department.
I should have used the quote function...I was referring to MTC situation of being in a chase that crosses into another jurisdiction.
I absolutely understand what your saying but if it happens where you get a sheriff that now wants to be the county LAW FEUER he will use what has been done for the best of law enforcement reasons to his COMPLETE advantage!!
It is not easy working in an area where the sheriff is all about aquiring power!
Wish you the best and I hope it works out for you guys but am somewhat pessimistic
Delta is 100% correct about Mike Bellotti and I am not a Sheriff lover
as most on this forum know.
94c and fra444 he is nothing like the a-hole we have in Bristol County.
I must have missed it in my trainee handbook - there's a bar in New Braintree?
I had a very witty and sarcastic response all typed-out, but then deleted it. I'm turning into a softie in my old age.
Given where you are, I completely understand your position. And believe me....if Bellotti moves on to bigger or better things, and the next sheriff starts pulling crap like you have to deal with, I'll be leading the pitchfork & torches march out to Dedham.
I believe the appointment is only good for two years so when this one expires we can always re-access the situation. If Belotti moves on to bigger and better things and the next guy gets power hungry we will simply not apply to give him the "numbers boost" some members are afraid of.
Belotti swore several of us in 6-7 years ago and has been a good Sheriff, not a cop wanna be. Very receptive to the smaller towns with inmate crews and elderly affairs.