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Discussion in 'New England' started by SinePari, Aug 20, 2012.
Wait wait wait... that's that "Away Game" thing right?
When some other dept passes through your backyard it should be a welcomed change from the garbage runs we all do every day. Solve any major crimes lately? Nah, me neither...
If you're "following" a car that's breaking traffic laws, you damn well better have your siren on the entire time, until you break it off, or the pursuit ends. If you get in a crash, especially in an intersection, and you didn't have your lights and siren on, then God help you in civil court.
The key to not getting called off is to remain calm and not scream like a pissed-off teenage girl while you're calling off streets and locations. Nothing gets supervisors more nervous than screaming on the radio....sirens have nothing to do with it.
But.....using MSP's logic, where the entire commonwealth is their jurisdiction, then everything within Massachusetts is a home game, and they should therefore clean everything they catch, correct?
^^^This^^^ I can attest - is true !
If by "away game" you mean when you venture in to someone elses backyard, kill someone, then turn around and ask a witness "where am I?", yah I guess you're the visiting team playing on someone elses field...
Nope, too busy solving the 8-12 minor ones every day because the floaters are too useless to....
Ah hell - some of them do that on the "big road" !!
Yeah but the floaters know where all the good eats are.
We all do the same job don't we? No wonders we can't all get the same retirement system!!!! Bad guys...good guys....yes it is that simple! Bad guys.....good guys...figured just one more time would do it.
Most police officers in MA do have the same retirement.....city and town police officers comprise the largest number of cops in the state, so they're almost all in Group 4.
However, there are so many other PD's in the state....state, campus, railroad, federal, etc., that it only makes sense there would be different retirement systems (and some cops don't have a retirement plan other than a voluntary private 401k).
When I get a n00b, one of the first things I tell them is to start a 457 account (401k for public employees) and max out whatever they can afford each week, even if it's $10-20 per week. Just get it started.
Outside of Federal it really would make more sense to have everyone, state, municipal, campus on the same system. Do you rememember the big push...about 10yrs ago for the 25-75 retirement. It died. Largely due to cross contamination of other retirement groups, but unity helps with bargaining power.
25/75 gets proposed every legislative session, and the teacher's union every year attaches a rider to include them, which guarantees it will die a slow death in committee.
As for other departments, different retirement plans are inevitable; what do you propose private college PD's like Harvard, BU, and BC do?
would LOVE 25/75 right now
Wouldn't we all, brother....wouldn't we all. With military buyback, I'd be gone by now.
Because summers off, holidays off, weekends off and "professional development" days off are a huge stressor. My father-in law, mother-in law and brother-in-law are teachers, I KNOW what's what. 27-75 is a carrot that the fuckin teacher's union can't help but try and get a nibble at, and when they do that they fuck it up for the rest of us.
Retirement at my place is complicated. There are currently at least 3 different retirement plans and it depends on when you were hired as to which one you have. A number of the unions have been trying like hell to streamline the plans into one ususable one that works for everyone, but like all academics, if THEY don't think of it, it won't work.
We do have a deal where if your age and years of service add up to 75, whether you retire, quit or are fired, you get your health insurance for the rest of your life. YOU Pay, but they provide. I'm not sure how this hasn't been done away with yet, but I'm sure some asshole making $23 Million somewhere is trying to find a way to do it and save the university a few hundred thousand, thus earning himself a $3 million bonus for saving them $$$$.
Yeah, that's how things work there.
Private is private not much we can do about that, but realistically they should be trained exactly the same way on the basic level. Then cover their campus responsibilities inhouse. Take for example our neighbor state of NH. Every officer is trained in the same academy....together....state, municipal, sheriff, railroad, enviromental. After academy each agency then trains to their specifics. And yes....same retirement across the board.
Amen brother.....police retirement should be just that!!!!! A retirement plan for fucking police only...and my wife is a teacher.
I work with a guy who was a public school teacher, and before he got on the PD, he would try to justify that the jobs were pretty much the same.
He no longer tries to do that.
Massachusetts is way too populous for one police academy, and the big campus PD's are already trained to the same level....they either require or send their recruits to the full MPTC academy.
Yes now the campus's have to have the full MPTC academy behind them, but as you know this wasn't always the case. And one of their biggest concerns is that once they train young officers they will jump ship with their certification to a municipal agency. I don't agree that the state is too big for one training ground. One academy could work if there was thought and planning, and of course funding for such an idea. Perfect opportunity was when Ft. Devens closed down and the State turned it into "Devens" a planned community. It is a central location in the state and it could have made a great Law Enforcement training ground, range right there, an area for evoc training, et. A large problem in this state is we have too many variants in training grounds.
That's been the case for at least 25 years, as one of the PD's I received a job offer for back in the 80's was a campus, and they were going to send me to the academy (I took a different job).
Many PD's are making recruits sign a contract that they have to stay __ years after the academy, or they have to pay back the cost of tuition. How enforceable that is, no one yet knows.
Academy recruits will crawl over broken glass to get through, but if you think veteran police officers are going to drive 2-3 hours to go to in-service, you're out of your mind. That's a slam-dunk win at arbitration, and not many chiefs are going to want to pay each officer going to in-service 4-6 hours of travel time OT every day.
I think ONE academy for basic MIGHT work, but for in-service, no way in hell. Anything over a 1 hour drive is cruel especially if you driving to work takes less time than driving to in-service.