First posting, sorry if I missed this information somewhere else. Is there any word on when the next SSPO Academy will begin? I know it has been pushed back twice already but any new info. Thanks!
Define soon. I am guessing, yes. I am sure that MSP was more concerned with getting the 80th RTT on their feet and out the door. Be patient, I'm sure it's coming. But why ask here? Pick up the phone and call the academy directly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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May be delayed till Sept. to run along side a municipal class according to the latest intel. The Commandant is apparently trying to run them together to be more efficient. Radical idea apparently.
The only thing that would make the SSPO more efficient is to flat out get rid of it. To have people go through 16 weeks of torture, only to have them go through it all over again someplace else, just to make up 3 1/2 weeks or so, is completely inefficient. It is also a waste of taxpayer’s money while they’re in the second academy. Abolish it and have them go through SPMA, makes too much sense though. MACLEA is the hold up in this area. I love it when guys get SSPO waived here in MA and out of State! Makes them cringe!
Okay...Clarify and/or expand on this please. SSPO Waived here is only in regards to attending SSPO for a campus job. Why would MACLEA care? And SSPO waived out of state? What are you talking about and again, why would MACLEA cringe?
Maybe I can shed some light on this, a while back there was discussion at the MPTC to try and work out something to get the SSPO recognized as a regular full time academy with some type of bridge class. Apprently this didn't go over too well with the College Chiefs. Something about them losing all their people to city and towns (which they kinda do anyway), and that it was already being allowed for officers to work at the reserve level so they killed it for fulltime. As far as I know, I've never seen anyone get their SSPO waived here in Mass. Althought I've been tempeted to try it myself. Florida was good enought to take it and all I had to do was what's called an EOT class and take a state exam. All in all it was pretty painless.
The bottom line is that people who want to move on to a muni dept. are gonna move on no matter which academy the school sends them to. Standard training for everyone would make everything better there are some schools that are backing up city departments those guys/girls should all have the same training. Some day its going to cause a shit storm law suit...
I was talking about it being waived for a town department. There have been several Officers who have been successful, in MA, in getting a waiver when they've had SSPO and a Reserve academy. One guy, who is still on in Littleton, got waived with just SSPO. Zivkovich wanted to create a bridge academy that would allow those who had the SSPO to be certified the same as MPTC academy grads. The MPTC members liked the idea but deferred until a rep from MACLEA could attend the meeting. Once the MACLEA rep/s were contacted, they said that they didn't want anything that would give their Officers the ability to just transfer to a city or town cause they'd have retention problems. They cringe when you go out of state because their plan didn't work.
If you're the appointing authority for a small non-CS department and you have 2 finalists for one police officer position, with one having the full MPTC academy and the other has the SSPO academy, which one do you choose, with most other things being equal? You go for the MPTC academy candidate because you don't have to pay academy tuition, recruit officer uniforms, and they can start field training right away. I had the full MCJTC (yeah, I just dated myself) academy when I was hired by QPD, I was sworn-in on Friday and started working on Monday.
Wow! I never heard of that!!! I'm verrrrrry skeptical. Forgive me, but I'm very near calling full flag on the play!
Searching back throught the recent MPTC Meeting minutes there was one officer from that dept that was given a TEMPORARY Exemption. So that being said, they will be going back to the academy at some point down the road. Given how competitive it is to get a job here, I am actually surprised no one has done a media story on this foolishness yet. Something along the lines of police officers repeating the academy at the waste of tax payer dollars because of the College Chiefs Association etc etc.
I agree delta however that officer who had the sspo is still gonna keep plugging along trying to get on a muni dept. I'm just saying that if someone on a campus pd has the drive to leave for a muni he/she will prob leave at some point.
I agree, but having "only" the SSPO academy is going to hamstring them when they have to compete against people who self-sponsored themselves through the MPTC academy, which I suspect is exactly what the campus PD brass wants.
The Officer that I am referring to got a permanent exemption on just SSPO. Forgive me for not being able to pinpoint the exact time frame but it was between 2000-2002. I actually spoke to a member of the Littleton Police Department a while back and this was confirmed. Come to think of it, there is a chance that he may have had the Reserve too but I am not too sure. It has been a while. A buddy of mine recently went for a waiver and was approved for a 9 month (Temporary) waiver but he had to go back through the academy. The 9 month waiver allowed him to hit the streets, get field training out of the way and the 6 months he worked on road before the academy started counted towards his probation period. A few months ago, I heard that someone got a permanent waiver in Ashburnham with SSPO. Not sure if that Officer had the Reserve too. I don't know anyone on that department to confirm whether or not this is just a rumor.
Odd. I know someone with sspo, R/I, and plenty of road time who was shot down for a waiver. Hopefully these topics will be a thing of the past when it's decided that training should be uniform.
....plus Mptc Firearms Instructor, Glock/m&p armorer, 4 years on town p/t, hella good looking, bt and radar certs, and IMC guru, but the waiver system is working as intended. Those LECP self sponsors were a much better investment. Not bitter though. I found my niche... Unfortunately, I'll be returning to an 'academy' environment. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
I only had an older copy of your resume available, my bad. ...you forgot to include "Computer hacking skills, and nunchuck skills" to the previous post, as well as any Jedi medals/awards you'd like to divulge.
I think the smaller schools are happy about that but i know that many of the larger state schools and the umass system are only hiring MPTC grads now
Boston and State both require (or at least DID) you to attend their academy regardless of what training you may have had in the past. One of our guys (who did leave for LAPD years ago-then tried to come back) got appointed in Medford. He was only about 2 years out of the academy, FULL academy and was told he would have to attend THEIR academy. He said something along the lines of, "Are you SHITTING ME?" and quit and came back to us. It was about a year later he hightailed to across the country. So, though I can CLEARLY see the reason for keeping the SSPO academy for retention reasons, and hey, no campus guy does much real police work anyway, why should a small college spend the money? I would definately be on board to train every campus cop in the full academy. Yes, I know, "they can either fully train or go with a security department!" Sure, and every small town with 2 FT and 6 PT can shut down the PD and relay 100% on the MSP small town patrol. It AIN'T gonna happen and if there's a law on the books that ALLOWS a small college to protect it's students, faculty, staff, visitors and property in a professional yet cost effective manner, I believe they, like small towns, should be able to do it. But then comes along reserves and specials. Should a town spend the money to train a part time officer FULL time for X number of weeks when said officer won't even be full time when he/she graduates? And should said officer quit his/her FT job just to go to an academy FT for PT job? And should towns break their budgets hiring ONLY FT officers? I can hear (and have read) all the arguments now, but reality sometimes is just a big pile of complicated shit, not always nice and black and white.
