Red light ticket

Enemy At The Gates was awesome btw.

Here is the photo from Google maps, the view from the top. I highlighted the additional section. As you can see, you don't see that section on the previous photo.

And as I wrote, I told the officer "there was green light on the additional section" and he responded "there is no additional section".

just pay the fine or appeal. If you appeal, you're going to lose anyways but everyone gets paid so it's still WINNING!

IBTL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong. Not 15 cars, three cars from the stop line. You can barely see the additional right turn lights even from the second car in the line. I know this cross very well and drive as close as possible to the stop line to see the lights.
I'll take the photo of this additional section tomorrow.

Where is or resident POPO from Weston ???? He could answer this.

Here are some step by step instructions for you seeing how you can't understand us...

1. get in car
2. drive to intersection (within the laws, we don't want you getting another ticket!:wink_smile
3. Park care legally
4. get out of car
5. put on class III traffic vest
6. go into the middle of the street and take the god damn picture.
7. get in your car and stfu.

You sir, are a fucking moron. :thumbs_up:

IBTL

So he decided to pull you over for running a red light before you even got to the light. If you were at the light, he wouldn't have been able to see you since we can't see the light from where you said he was.... when he decided to pull you over.

And why did you say additional lights? It would have made more sense saying the right lane turn only lights.

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There's one in Northborough at Route 9 by Walmart. Should I google map it?? :happy:

No, the officer pulled me over right after the turn. There was red light on the all lights that you can see on the photo. The officer and I were driving on the right lane, he was behind me (there was some distance between our cars). I approach the stop line, saw the green lights and continued to move.

I don't blame the officer, he was doing his job but he did a mistake. All people make mistakes (including myself for sure). But this is a critical issue for me - this is the first contact with the police in my life, I strongly believe I am right in this case. For me this is about the trust to these guys. If I lose, this means that the same thing may happen any day with my wife for example who is an excellent driver (we have a clear driving record for many many years, I drive two kids to school every day and completely changed my driving style over last years). I want to know how to protect my family when I feel that I am right.

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Thank you, I'll get all the pictures from the car because neither the officer nor I were in the middle of the street. We were at the right lane of the street.

Is there an echo in here?

And there is your answer. Appeal it. It is your right.

+1. What you are really asking is our OPINION. Let's say for the sake of argument that you were to gain our OPINION in your favor. Do you really think that you are going to the appeal with "Well the guys on MASSCOPS all agree with me so it should be dismissed?" Your next post should read "Thank you all for your input. I have decided to appeal the ticket because I strongly believe I am right in this case."

To be honest if you do appeal the ticket... and you don't have anything ridiculous on your drivers history then you'd probably be let off... no one cares... no hard feelings unless you make them hard!

Do what you want! But you WONT TRED ON US!

To digress from the issue at hand..



I find this written comment to be at the heart of another issue. I don't know what you do for a living Vasily, and frankly I dont care. But you wrote that statement. Quite an impact statement in my opinion. Now honestly Vasily, do you think YOU would have such an impact on someone else in your job? You're accusing an officer of being wrong, making a simple mistake. Let's say, for arguments sake only mind you, he did. Look at the effect on you. Do you think if YOU made a simple mistake during the course of your job, it would have such an impact on someone else? Let's keep in mind here, traffic violations are rather simple: everything's taught to you and explained to you in simple english every where you go, on traffic signs or signals. Criminal and constitutional laws, city ordinances and by-laws, are bit more involved and sometimes, outright complex. Agreed? Are you following me? Add in the dangers of working in harms way. Still with me? If so, answer me this:

Why the fuck do you people (you, the mindless sheep of America, but especially this retarded socialist state), why do INSIST we, the lowly government employees, surrender our pay and benefits? Why do you actually think WE are bankrupting this corrupt state? Why do YOU insist WE voluntarily join a proven crappy health care system?

Remember after 9-11? I couldn't go anywhere without someone stopping me and saying thanks, they appreciate my efforts. Now I"M a union hack and a vilified gangster. You people act like we stole the food right off your plates..

And then you people have the gall coming on this site, continually berating us or asking us how you can get out of your own mistake..

Any insight Vasily??? The juxtaposition is this Vasily: you demand we give up what little we have (I assure you those high paying incomes you see in the papers are anomolies), yet you admit we have a huge impact on your lives. Should those that have such heavy influence/impact on peoples lives, be treated with such outright contempt? What do you think is going to happen when the cop working Christmas or midnight to 8 or keeps missing his child's games,etc, and receives the pay and benefits of a teenager working at McDonalds?

Because he's FUSILLI VASILY!
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Not exactly. As I wrote, I have never been in such situations before. I didn't mean to ask the question "am I right or not?". I was looking more for the opinions about my ability to prove _my point of view_ in this case. I afraid to get the response like the officers are always right and I can do nothing about that or something like that. Sorry for the confusion. I was always respectful to the police, they do their job well but everybody can make mistakes. I make a lot of mistakes at my job. The question is about my ability to fix somebody else's mistakes if they happen.

If the officers on the street make mistakes on the job it can cost someone their life or their own. I guarantee they worry more about protecting the general public on a daily basis than if they have to go to a traffic hearing. As others have said you have the right to appeal it. Don't expect members on this site to run to your aid and plan your defense for you. I don't know you and I'm assuming your a fine upstanding citizen. That being said just put on a shirt and tie, go to your hearing, and plead your case in a calm and respectful manner.

Yes, I am originally from Russia. To answer your question: the police system in Russia was absolutely horrible and worked against usual people, our US officers work to protect us - this is the key difference. Our guys are doing a great job - I can tell this for sure because I saw in the past the ugly system in Russia.

I am a very experienced person as well (I am a scientist and manage a large team of engineers). But I do mistakes (and again, the guy who stopped me, was a very nice seasoned officer and I don't blame him. I was trying to understand what should I do. My russian experience tells me "even if you right, you can do nothing, just pay". But this is exactly the experience I am trying to forget).