Quinn Bill SJC Case

Boy, that sucks to know any hard work is automatically bound for the crapper.

As for the decision, I don't think it was much of a surprise. The decision was consistent with the ones from the early 90's with similar legal questions.

Couldn't event get 2--the Boston guys got a unanimous crushing.

If it's any consultation, the Spina wrote he decision. I give judges a lot more credit than most, but he and CJ Ireland consistently have a habit of curving the law to reach a preferred decision.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120309/OPINION/203090308/-1/NEWS

The link above is to an editorial in the Standard Times that actually supports the Quinn Bill.
It's suprising coming from the ST, which is tradionally "critical" of the police.

This was just another way for that fucking ASSHOLE Patrick to be able to give cities and towns another way to fuck us. Thanks dickhead, I hope you contract the worst possible case of the shits while you are in bed. I actually hope worse than that, but thats unfit for publication, douche. Now, when it comes for negotiations, at the bargaining table, they will say "We will fund the state's share of the Quinn bill for "x" amount of years, but we aren't offering any COLA's for that duration." I absolutely HATE this state, the dickhead who runs it, and the SJC. It's my fantasy that each "justice" is the victim of some type of crime, and because of their rulings we are unable to assist them.

Does the decision force the state to pay their half ?

Yup, Doucheval and the legislature were the catalyst by gutting the state funding at the outset, one of the first things he did during his first term. Okay, maybe not the first, he bought the Cadillac, drapes for the office, and $100k secretary for his whacky wife.

Yet knowing the political leanings of the democRATS in supporting the large population of loafers, criminals, and illegals over educated workers, police unions in this state keep supporting democRAT, after democRAT, after democRAT, foolishly throwing good money at bad, thinking the end result will change. The hatred for the more conservative police profession by the liberals on Bacon Hill is not exactly a secret. We are dealing with moonbats who would rather diminish the concept that higher education and hard work equals higher pay, over the idea that everyone has to "shoulder their share of the burden" and take a pay cut because others are either not willing or not able (drug addict, lazy, illegal, just not that bright, laid off, etc...) to attain the same earning capacity or job performance.

I submit to you this, maybe the state could fund their portion of the Quinn Bill if the pay of legislators was "more in line" with area states like NH, who make $100 per year. Compared to the much larger 424 member NH legislature, Massachusetts politicians are receiving "primo pay" and "huge perks" way out of proportion with the education standards, (i.e: none), of their "chosen profession". I might not be pointing out the obvious for us, (after all we are actually the ones generally MORE educated than the politicians now), but New Hampshire hasn't exactly fallen off the map yet because their legislators get a nominal amount to serve.

After all, if the representatives and senators in this lovely Commonwealth truly believe that "public servants" should receive lower pay, then they will not have a problem practicing what they preach in drastically cutting their own pay, getting a real job, going to Bacon Hill for the single purpose of holding a session to vote on a series of bills, and then going back to their district. It would result in much more efficient and less costly government, as the politicians would not be sitting their asses under the golden dome getting paid all day to have rump swabs tell them how important they are.



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Delta something like that would never happen. The legislature always follows the will of the people.

47 days my friend, 47 days

I know that's almost exactly how that would play out. Just like the 5% income tax roll back, "the will of the voters" they care about so much would be disregarded. But it is nice to day dream sometimes!


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It was a wonderful decision, full of all sorts of good legal interpretation -- except for the word "salary," the definition of which was not considered in the decision. If "salary" means a pay rate that an officer learns after the end of the fiscal year in which the officer does the work to earn the "salary" (which is when the legislature's budget kicks in to reimburse municipatlities for what they paid officers under the Quinn Bill during the fiscal year that just ended), then it is understandable the the SJC did not bother to construe the word "salary" in their decision.

If "salary" means what most people believe it means, that is, a pay rate that one knows in advance of doing the work, the decision was not so good.

For most, no cut in Quinn Bill pay
Boston Globe - ‎40 minutes ago‎

By Deirdre Fernandes Cities and towns across the region plan to pay police officers millions of dollars in educational benefits previously provided by the state, despite a recent Supreme Judicial Court ruling that found they are not required to pay the ...


Hmmm... I am glad there is no comment section on there because I am sure I would not like to read what people had said.

Why is it that the news always fails to mention that there are numerous occupations where someone's education is considered in determining their salary? My oldest gets paid an additional $4 per hour because of classes that she has taken that are relevant to her job and this is only a place holder job until she gets her degree. I know I expected my degree to get me a higher salary than I would have gotten without it.

Unfortunately there is a section, Here is a link to the comments...

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/burl...ties_still_pay_quinn_bill_benefits_to_police/

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/burl...l_benefits_to_police/?comments=all#readerComm

Have to love the person saying about how the details go into the pensions...some of these people just don't understand the truth or don't want the truth to get in the way of their preconceived and uninformed opinions that the media makes for them...

I say get rid of the one part of the civil service system that says the chiefs can deny the officers the opportunity to lateral to another department...EVERY THING ELSE IN CIVIL SERVICE STAYS!!!...probably the only job where you are forced to work where you grew up and can't move to better yourself and family unless you want to move to another state..but the Chiefs and town managers/city managers can come and go where ever they please to better themselves.

I seem to remember in Tewksbury that the Chief said no to some officers looking to lateral to Boston a few years ago and then laid them off six months later when he knew that the layoffs were coming...great guy!!

“If you’re going to recruit and hire and keep people, you’re not going to do it on the base salary that we pay police officers.’’

Some adminstrators get it thank god! My hat's off to the folks that run towns like Framingham and Concord. And chiefs like Carls

Maybe everyone in the state stops writing citations. Then the state will stop receiving all the funds for appeals. See what Duval says about it then.

I write them when, and only when you piss me off. Other then that its written warnings at accidents and verbal warnings the rest of the time.

Damn it!

This profession will soon mostly have only High School graduates and GED educated personnel with in it. That is what the state is saying that they want for the future of law enforcement in the commonwealth in-order to save some money.
Why aren't the colleges who give campaign money to these politicians up in arms against this? So many have criminal justice courses and they are going to lose a shit load of money from the state not paying for the Quinn Bill. Why pursue a CJ degree when a HSD or a GED is sufficient for the position? I feel the state, cities and towns are going to be overwhelmed in the future from law suits due to under educated and under qualified police officers. Common sense will prevail for few who have it and are not college educated, but many that are under qualified will slip through and get into this profession. I know a few officers in my department who are ready to jump ship if they they lose their 12.5% state funding portion. It will be sad to see good officers leave. Not looking forward to FTO'ing the new breed for the future of this profession because it is so bleak. Sad to say.