Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

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  1. cc3915 Administrator

    Desperately scrambling to validate Democrat Elizabeth Warren’s Native American heritage amid questions about whether she used her minority status to further her career, the Harvard Law professor’s campaign last night finally came up with what they claim is a Cherokee connection — her great-great-great-grandmother.
    “She would be 1⁄32nd of Elizabeth Warren’s total ancestry,” noted genealogist Christopher Child said, referring to the candidate’s great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, who is listed on an Oklahoma marriage certificate as Cherokee. Smith is an ancestor on Warren’s mother’s side, Child said.
    The missing link comes after Warren’s embattled campaign faced sharp questions about her Native American background in the wake of Herald stories that showed both Harvard Law School and Warren herself had touted her tribal lineage and claimed she was a member of a minority for years.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us..._found_5_generations_ago/srvc=home&position=1
  2. HistoryHound MassCops Member

    So far the evidence provided is flimsy at best. Anyone who has spent any time doing genealogy research knows you can't necessarily rely on a single document to prove or disprove anything. Especially if that document is not a first hand source for the person being referenced. I have spent years tracing family histories and it is amazing how many different names, birth dates, and nations of origin you can find for one person. Which is why a single document is usually not enough to prove anything. Add into it that they found this document because they were looking for a link to the Cherokee nation and you have the potential for tremendous errors in methodology. It's like an a good investigation, you don't come to a conclusion and then look for evidence to prove it. You look for evidence and then come to a conclusion based on that evidence.

    But, let's just say that this is accurate and there is a document that shows she has an ancestor that may have been Cherokee. That still does not make it so. If you look at the guidelines for the Cherokee nation, she has to be able to prove that she had a blood ancestor who was listed on the Dawe's roll. If she can't do that; then, IMO she has no right proclaiming to be Cherokee because she can not prove that lineage. They will not even accept DNA evidence showing that an individual has DNA markers that link them to a native tribe.

    Long story short as someone who has been told that I have Cherokee ancestors, I would never dream of using that to get a leg up on anything. One because I don't have any more proof than she does. Two, I am so far removed from the Trail of Tears and the injustices that were visited upon the members of every native American tribe that it would be disrespectful to my ancestors and their suffering to try to profit from it.
  3. Delta784 Acting Stupidly

    Exactly....even if Warren had absolute, positive proof that she is 100% Native American from the Occupy sect of the Nowannajob tribe, how does that in any way make her more or less qualified to be a United States Senator?
  4. HousingCop Czar of Cyncism and Satire

    I visited Plymouth Plantation once. That makes me more of an Indian than her. Just sayin'........ HC
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  5. justanotherparatrooper Pissin' in liberals cheerio's for 40 years :)

    I claim indian heritage because I watched Lone Ranger and Johnny Quest:D
  6. CJIS MassCops Member

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    Genealogist Finds Record of Warren's American-Indian Ancestry
    New York Times - ‎1 hour ago‎

    BOSTON -- A genealogist in Boston said Tuesday that he had found evidence that Elizabeth Warren has an American Indian ancestor, a great-great-great grandmother listed as Cherokee on her son's 1894 marriage record.
  7. Pvt. Cowboy Meathead.

    I used to drive a Grand Cherokee. It had a hemi... And I can shoot a bow. Where do I sign for free Harvard loans?
  8. HistoryHound MassCops Member



    He's with the NEHGS, he should know that a second hand source doesn't prove anything. But, hey I guess it's easy to reach conclusions when you're looking at such an uncommon name as Smith. :rolleyes: I spent 6 months and countless hours chasing down the wrong family and the name wasn't even that common. You gotta love the Irish and Italians and the fact that every generation of every family has kids named after the same saints, Patrick, John, Joseph, Mary, Ann, etc.

    No kidding. Of course it's complicated and frickin expensive and time consuming too if you're going to do it right.
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  9. Johnny Law Always outnumbered. Never outgunned.

    Hey, it worked for this guy!

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  10. Delta784 Acting Stupidly

    Both sides of my family came to the United States from Scotland in the early 1920's, and that's about as far back as I care to go with my lineage. Whatever my great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, etc. were doing in Scotland pre-1920 really doesn't interest me all that much.
  11. LGriffin Verified Mother Führer...

    My Aunt dug around hoping we were related to the Mashantucket Pequots, for obvious reasons, but it turned out to be the Chippewa...no cash.:oops:
  12. Delta784 Acting Stupidly

    I'm claiming membership in the Hekawi Tribe;

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  13. LGriffin Verified Mother Führer...

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  14. cc3915 Administrator

    We're the Fakawi......
  15. Jeepy MassCops Member

    BREAKING NEWS: Fox News is reporting that, in an unprecedented move, Elizabeth Warren took time away from her campaign to reassess and decided whether it's time to step out or move FORWARD (as Obama and Hitler like to say).

    Apparently she's holding tight to her socialist agenda and she refuses to leave the race, so in her efforts to move forward she underwent a complete plastic surgery makeover.

    Moments ago Geraldo Rivera broke in to the afternoon soaps, and he unveiled the new face of Elizabeth Warren, post-plastic surgery. She had a teardrop surgically and permanently implanted on her face. It's hard to tell if she's crying because she got caught in her lies, of if she's crying because she's upset over the state of affairs in this hell-hole of a state. She'll argue the latter, but I'm betting it's the former.

    Anyway, here's your WARNING: she's even less pretty now than she was before, but here's the new and improved face of Elizabeth Warren: http://tinyurl.com/d82fzkq
  16. HistoryHound MassCops Member

    He's prettier.
  17. Johnny Law Always outnumbered. Never outgunned.

    I remember that commercial from the 70's! If I remember correctly the Native American had a tear in his eye from pollution and litter. Was it Keep America Beautiful?

    He'd be in histrionics now if he saw the way life is today.
  18. 7costanza . . .

    It was a Forestry commercial I believe and much like the Italian in the commercial shes a totally fugazzi.
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  19. Jeepy MassCops Member

    I picked that picture on purpose because the actor, "Iron Eyes Cody," was later revealed to be just another Itallian guy (named Espera DeCorti) back in 1996.

    Here's the ad that The Ad Council ran in the early 1970s: www.adcouncil.org/Our-Work/The-Classics/Pollution-Keep-America-Beautiful-Iron-Eyes-Cody

    Here's some info on whether the SOB was a phony piece of crap, like Elizabeth Warren: www.snopes.com/movies/actors/ironeyes.

    May this debacle be the "Curt Shilling Moment" that derailed Marsha's challenge of Scott Brown a couple of years ago. This phony piece of garbage, Elizabeth Warren, should move the hell back to Oklahoma. She disgusts me to my core.
  20. Delta784 Acting Stupidly

    Yup.....someone threw a bag containing French fries at his feet, then the camera panned up to show him with the tear in his eye.
  21. HistoryHound MassCops Member

    How the heck did I miss that one? Oh well, that's what having little kids does I guess. I honestly don't remember much from the 90s that didn't revolve around them.
  22. Johnny Law Always outnumbered. Never outgunned.

    I'd be crying at the waste of a bag of fries!
  23. cc3915 Administrator

    Warren: I used minority listing to share heritage

    Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, fending off questions about whether she used her Native American heritage to advance her career, said today she enrolled herself as a minority in law school directories for nearly a decade because she hoped to meet other people with tribal roots.
    “I listed myself in the directory in the hopes that it might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group something that might happen with people who are like I am. Nothing like that ever happened, that was clearly not the use for it and so I stopped checking it off,” said Warren.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/po..._listing_to_make_friends/srvc=home&position=1
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  25. Foxy85 MassCops Member

    Brother SharkBait.....Welcome, new comer of Orange and White. You have been called forth to the summit of Wannahockalugi.... lmao its all I could think of.....its what having kids does to you I guess....

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