DNC Charlotte: Identification required, even just near convention site

Election Fraud



In addition to pursuing “Neighborhood / Precinct Organizing” to engage and mobilize like-minded, concerned conservative and moderate voters, who have decided to be the “Silent Majority” no more, we must be vigilant to stop voter fraud which disenfranchises legitimate votes. Analyses have shown that much of the voter fraud is facilitated by voter access initiatives advocated by liberals, such as automatic voter registration when applying for driver licenses, unrestricted absentee ballots, and early voting.

In 2010 liberals were discussing a Universal Voter Registration (UVR) law, which would further subvert and corrupt the voter registration process. The Universal Voter Registration (UVR) law would override all state election laws and force states to register everyone to vote who is on welfare, is unemployed, has a driver’s license, or is a property owner. Many people on these lists are duplicates and many are illegal aliens. For more information, click on this sentence to link to an article by Allan Erickson, titled “Dems positioning to rig November Elections?”.

To assess the potential for voter fraud in your state, check out the American Civil Rights Union website.
To win the 2008 presidential election, much evidence exists which suggests that election fraud occurred in states with Secretaries of States elected as a result of George Soros’Secretary of State Project. Voting fraudor voting irregularities were made possible by actions and decisions made by these Secretaries of States. For example, in Ohio, where President Obama beat McCain by fewer than 270,000 votes, the following occurred:

To win the 2008 presidential election, much evidence exists which suggests that election fraud occurred in states with Secretaries of States elected as a result of George Soros’Secretary of State Project. Voting fraudor voting irregularities were made possible by actions and decisions made by these Secretaries of States. For example, in Ohio, where President Obama beat McCain by fewer than 270,000 votes, the following occurred:

1. The Secretary of State as one of her first acts, once in office, unilaterally re-interpreted Ohio Election statutes governing the overlap of the voter registration deadline and the start of early voting. The Secretary of State created a scenario in which residents could fill out a voter registration and immediately cast a vote. Without interlocking cross-checking capabilities, anyone could register and “cast a ballot” in multiple locations. The Secretary of State ordered the unprepared and understaffed County Election Boards to set up voting centers that would assure a massive turnout and, amazingly, banned all poll-watchers from the vote centers. (As an aside, the Obama campaign paid ACORN $800,000 to register new voters. )
2. As a result, over 600,000 new Ohio voter registrations were obtained, but the Secretary of State declined to enforce the provision of the “Help America Vote Act, which would have required the Secretary of State to use databases to allow verification of these new registrations. Furthermore, the Secretary of State would not allow county Boards of Election access to information they needed to verify the newly-registered voters. In fact, the Secretary of State admitted that known “discrepancies” existed for about 200,000 registrations which failed the “match-up” test in which voter information is compared to driver’s license and Social Security databases. The Secretary of State argued that she did not have the necessary time to rectify the situation and that nothing in the “Help America Vote Act” states what should be done if a mismatch is discovered. A federal U.S District judge ruled that she was breaking federal law by not performing the verifications and blocking database access to the eighty-eight County Boards of Election, only to be overruled in a split decision by the 6thCircuit Court of Appeals on a technicality. The brief opinion from the court stated that the federal law which called for computer checks of new voters did not authorize private lawsuits to enforce it (a lawsuit had been filed by Ohio’s Republican Party).
3. In contrast, Ohio’s Secretary of State sought to invalidate a million signed, absentee-ballot applications issued by the McCain campaign, due to a technical issue of inadvertently having an extra, unnecessary checkbox. The Ohio Supreme Court later overturned this Secretary of State’s directive.

http://thevoicesofamerica.org/Election_Fraud.html

I would be curious how he would reply to the argument that one illegitimate vote does in fact disenfranchise a legitimate vote, and what protection should be in place for citizens.

Counter-Point

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/08/14/good-question-is-minnesota-1-for-voter-fraud/

Those 156 convictions are out of nearly 3 million votes cast in a typical presidential election. According to the state, there were 73 cases still pending.
But is it disingenuous to say we’re number one when it’s such a miniscule percentage?
“The stats bear it out,” Davis said. “It’s not our data, it’s the state’s data.”
“This is a patently false claim,” said Dan McGrath, executive director of Take Action MN, a group that’s been fighting against the photo ID constitutional amendment.
“In an election season it’s nothing new to hear allegations to stir up fear,” he said.
McGrath says that Minnesota has had some razor-thin elections, and we’ve had reason to look for evidence of fraud. That’s not true in every other state.
“They looked around the country, turns out no one’s done a study like this. Minnesota Majority is trying to stir up fear, trying to stir up anxiety about the voting system,” Mcgrath said.
If you think of voter fraud as an organized effort where people are impersonating other voters, there’s never been a conviction of that in Minnesota.
“The number of convictions represent a small slice, it’s an indicator, it’s the tip of the iceberg,” Davis said.
It’s impossible to know for sure if Minnesota is or isn’t number one in voter fraud.

156 out of 3 million in one state is not widespread, still not enough to enact entire laws to combat a tiny problem.

The second Ohio one isn't much evidence as it's saying registering people is bad because someone might be illegal and mentions George Soros, the everpresent boogeyman.

I need actual hard evidence of voter fraud, masses of people in a large enough number voting illegally to justify these laws.

Those are only the ones that got caught, tried, AND convicted.



If you believe there was only 156 fraudulent ballots, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.

Oh, and GFYS, troll. You've been outed.

So you're saying we need laws based on things that can't be proven because you think they exist?

I'm not trolling, and outed? Huh?

What is WRONG with requiring voters prove they are who they say they are?

OBAMA will not have any votes.

It's getting bad when someone has to join a form in the hopes of changing a few votes. I think grizzlybear work security for the Dollar Store on weekends. There is no way someone that blind could be a cop.

If it costs money it's a constitutional violation, plus I'm against more laws for dumb shit. This has no real reason, so it's another stupid big government nanny law.

Ya'll are sounding pretty liberal, supporting laws to deny freedom.

I'm not here to change anyone's vote, why would you even think that? I'm discussing politics, that doesn't come close to trying to change your mind.

My kids thought it was completely ridiculous that they didn't have to show one piece of ID to register to vote. They're 19 & 21 and the concept of being able to vote without proving you are who you say you are made no sense to them and they go to one of the most liberal colleges in this state. Think about all of the other places you need to show ID. Depending on how old you look if you want to buy alcohol, cigarettes or even the lottery (yes one of my kids got carded buying a lottery ticket) you need ID. Before they got their licenses my kids had trouble returning items at certain stores even though they had their receipts because the return policy required an ID. You want to cash a check? You better have an ID on you. You want to get a job? Try telling the HR person that you can't fill out an I-9 because you have no ID. Hell, I got carded at the movies the last time I went with my daughter because she wanted to see Bridesmaids and the kid didn't think either of us looked 21. Apparently you have to be 21 to buy a ticket to an R movie for someone else.

The percentage of people that don't have and are incapable of getting an ID is so small that it's ridiculous to argue that you shouldn't need to prove you are who you claim to be in order to vote.

None of that stuff is in the constitution for one, nor guaranteed by the individual states. Most of it has nothing to do with the government so it has no bearing on this, and needing an ID for everything is horseshit anyway. People are too paranoid nowadays, and too eager to give up freedoms and be monitored everywhere.

Let me state my case once again:

1. Voter fraud is rare, so laws to fight something that rare are a waste of time.

2. If the ID costs money to procure, it's essentially banned by the constitution. That's why Texas's law was struck down! You can't make people pay to vote, period.

3. More laws = Big Government = Less Freedom = More tax dollars spent

You guys defending big government makes you sound like liberals, it really does. You both love big government apparently whether it's to squash abortion rights, prop up the drug war or enact pointless voter ID laws.

This is why I'm a real conservative and not a Republican.

Saying there's no need for ID to vote is akin to saying you shouldn't have to register to vote. In fact, why have any system like that whatsoever? Aren't you infringing on the rights of illiterate people who can't fill out the forms? Or can't get to there to fill out the forms because they can't afford a car or bus pass? Ridiculous. Voting for our government officials (especially the president) is one of the greatest rights and responsibilities we have as citizens. Why do think they have all the rules for WHO is allowed to vote? You must be 18, must be a citizen, must not be a felon, etc. If you have rules outlining who can vote, there must be checks and balances in place to enforce those rules. What other way is there than to register to vote, and show ID proving you are the person who is listed as being allowed to cast your vote? You can't even check out a library book without a photo ID. If you're such a bleeding heart, maybe you'd be generous enough to pay for all those poor souls who can't afford some type of government issued ID... You know, since you're so worried about them.


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Bleeding heart? Maybe you should read what I actually said before saying shit.

It's a constitutional amendment that says if it costs money, it ain't legal.

Voter fraud isn't a thing, and registering ain't necessary either in my mind but we're long past putting that horse back in the barn.

I mean do you really think IDs are infallible? If people want to illegally vote, they can get a fake ID. I mean come on, think for a minute.

It's like saying laws making drugs illegal keep drugs from being used.

So you believe someone shouldn't be IDed to purchase a firearm? Because that's guaranteed in the Constitution.

I'm for small government, it shouldn't be a law, no. It should be up to the sellers if they want to ask for ID.

As things are, the Supreme Court interprets things though.

Do you have a firearm license in Massachusetts?

Yes and our rules make no sense whatsoever, it'd be easier to go buy an illegal gun off a street corner than go through the stupid process here. Then we've got arbitrary "approval" bullshit.

So you don't actually believe in what you speak of?

Surely someone who believes that such identification is so wrong would never partake in that very identification system....

It is wrong, but I like guns more and had no choice in the matter. I need to live in NH or VT again and not have to deal with it.

If I needed an ID to buy food I'd do it too. You're making a weak point here, I'm arguing against the expansion of a pointless law. Our MA gun law is here to stay and been here a while, nothing I could do about that.

If I didn't need an ID for anything, I wouldn't have one. But as I like stuff and need it to possibly not get in deep shit, here it is.

You're full of shit.

You SHOULD have to pay to vote, and an EBT card better not be fucking accepted. Let the people who care enough about the issues cast a vote, and get rid of the derelicts who are bussed to the polls and paid with cigarettes.

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No, you just had a shitty argument.

Thankfully, our troops pay for our right to vote but I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of your statement. It should be interesting to see what happens now that the Dems mailed absentee ballots to these lazy bastards. Hopefully they invest the same effort on that ballot that they invest on their bills.

Any member, former or current, of the military I know would laugh if I told them they protected my right to vote, but anyway.

Paying to vote is wrong, and illegal anyway.