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Posted by: Dreamer

My question to all you Marine MSPs is iam a female college student enrolled In a CRJ program. I plan to graduate in 2007 with a BA. Now, I have always wanted to join the military especially the Marines. But, recently I have heard a "bad rap" about the MSP and not hiring Marines anymore. Now, I would love nothing more to one day serve citizens of the commenwealth in a State Police Uniform. But first wearing the Marines uniform and serving our country. Is there really a benifit anymore to being in the service? Or will a Bachelors suffice? I know you need to be book smart and Mentally tough, which I think both prove. And I also know verterans status is a biggy. Was just wondering about anyone's experience and 2cents.

Thank you all and God Bless!!




Posted by: no$.10

[quote=Dreamer]...But, recently I have heard a "bad rap" about the MSP and not hiring Marines anymore.

Not a Marine MSP, but I really would not believe that one.


Posted by: USMCTrooper

The MSP just graduated two recent classes with numerous veterans of the Iraq War and Afghanistan. Dozens were Marines, including three who will be deployed very soon just weeks after graduating. The "bad rap" sounds like a "bad rumor".


Posted by: quality617

Show me someone who doesn't like marines, and I'll show you someone probably hiding from their wrath.

It ain't true, it will never be true, and you need to smack the person you heard this from.


Posted by: NH Cop

“Girl”, I don’t know who’s telling you that but it’s not true. Nothing like having a squared away Marine on any organization.


Merry Christmas Jerry Springer






Posted by: SinePari

After looking at screen names, it's hard to tell who the Marines are...


Posted by: GARDA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
My question to all you Marine MSPs is iam a female college student enrolled In a CRJ program. I plan to graduate in 2007 with a BA. Now, I have always wanted to join the military especially the Marines. But, recently I have heard a "bad rap" about the MSP and not hiring Marines anymore. Now, I would love nothing more to one day serve citizens of the commenwealth in a State Police Uniform. But first wearing the Marines uniform and serving our country. Is there really a benifit anymore to being in the service? Or will a Bachelors suffice? I know you need to be book smart and Mentally tough, which I think both prove. And I also know verterans status is a biggy. Was just wondering about anyone's experience and 2cents.

Thank you all and God Bless!!
Dreamer,

What you heard recently is definitely "bad rap". The Marines and MSP are about as inseparable as Molson Beer and Ice Hockey...

My experience and 2cents says that my RTT had about a dozen former Marines that graduated, including myself. This was far fewer than I had imagined, but the Marine Corps' "ethos" and "esprit de corps" is still embraced on the MSP; unlike on some local departments (first-hand experience there to), where the Marines' trademark "Spirit of Aggressiveness" is considered by some to be... "on the wrong side of community policing"! Not so on the MSP, where aggressive criminal enforcement is still very much encouraged.

I honestly do not have an explanation why more Marines were not in my class, but I wish it were more. Why can't you do both? USMC Reserve commitment now, while finishing your degree, and if the MSP doesn't pan out...maybe a USMC Officer Candidate School billet upon graduation?

Either way, Best of Luck. Merry Christmas! Nollaig Shona Duit (Happy Christmas in Irish).


Posted by: GARDA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
My question to all you Marine MSPs is iam a female college student enrolled In a CRJ program. I plan to graduate in 2007 with a BA. Now, I have always wanted to join the military especially the Marines. But, recently I have heard a "bad rap" about the MSP and not hiring Marines anymore. Now, I would love nothing more to one day serve citizens of the commenwealth in a State Police Uniform. But first wearing the Marines uniform and serving our country. Is there really a benifit anymore to being in the service? Or will a Bachelors suffice? I know you need to be book smart and Mentally tough, which I think both prove. And I also know verterans status is a biggy. Was just wondering about anyone's experience and 2cents.

Thank you all and God Bless!!
Dreamer,

What you heard recently is definitely "bad rap". The Marines and MSP are about as inseparable as Molson Beer and Ice Hockey...

My experience and 2cents says that my RTT had about a dozen former Marines that graduated, including myself. This was far fewer than I had imagined, but the Marine Corps' "ethos" and "esprit de corps" is still embraced on the MSP; unlike on some local departments (first-hand experience there to), where the Marines' trademark "Spirit of Aggressiveness" is considered by some to be... "on the wrong side of community policing"! Not so on the MSP, where aggressive criminal enforcement is still very much encouraged.

I honestly do not have an explanation why more Marines were not in my class, but I wish it were more. Why can't you do both? USMC Reserve commitment now, while finishing your degree, and if the MSP doesn't pan out...maybe a USMC Officer Candidate School billet upon graduation?

Either way, Best of Luck. Merry Christmas! Nollaig Shona Duit (Happy Christmas in Irish).


Posted by: bulldogtb

There is no better way to do it!!!! I was in the Marines and now am a MSP Trooper. I feel lucky to be a member of two of the finest organizations in the world. Good luck!


Posted by: MARINECOP

Where do you think the MSP academy was modeled after? Paris Island. I believe that they make the academy class still celebrate the Marine Corps birthday so I don't where the "bad rap" is coming from. Next time you are on the pike look at all the Marine Corps decals on the back of the cruisers. The MSP loves former Marines, which you will find out later at the oral board. Good luck in the Corps.


Posted by: dcs2244

Actually the Marine style of academy is a recent phenomena. The academy was originally patterned after the Army horse calvary. In fact, that is what the state police is: calvary. The title "trooper" is a calvary title. The state police started with horses and later replaced them with motor vehicles (for primary patrol functions). We do not provide an "infantry" patrol function. When you are taught the procedures for "dismounted drill", that means without the horse. As late as the 1950's, troopers graduated on horse back at the Commonwealth Armory in Boston.

In any event, the academy embodies the best traditions of all the military services. It remains to be seen how many, if any, will survive the current "investigation" at the SPA.


Posted by: Deuce

Quote:
Originally Posted by MARINECOP
Where do you think the MSP academy was modeled after? Paris Island. I believe that they make the academy class still celebrate the Marine Corps birthday so I don't where the "bad rap" is coming from. Next time you are on the pike look at all the Marine Corps decals on the back of the cruisers. The MSP loves former Marines, which you will find out later at the oral board. Good luck in the Corps.
You mean Parris Island, right???


Posted by: MARINECOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce
You mean Parris Island, right???
No the island in France.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by MARINECOP
No the island in France.
It does seem a bit odd that a marine would misspell "Parris Island".

That would be like me saying "Fort Bening".


Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
It does seem a bit odd that a marine would misspell "Parris Island".

That would be like me saying "Fort Bening".
That's only because we weren't allowed to Eyeball anything while we visited the Island. Unlike you lollygagging Army guru's Delta...


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
That's only because we weren't allowed to Eyeball anything while we visited the Island. Unlike you lollygagging Army guru's Delta..
I'm going to go out on a limb, and put forth the hypothesis that "MARINECOP" has completed his time at Parris Island, and, therefore, should know how to properly spell the name.

BTW....watch the first 30 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan", then get back to me about the "lollygagging Army".


Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
BTW....watch the first 30 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan", then get back to me about the "lollygagging Army".
Yeah no kidding! Army boys laying on the beach and chewing gum waiting to figure out it's better to get going, cuz the navy guy's are still busy bringing more of their friends to the "Beach Party" You wouldn't see leathernecks doing that!
=D>


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
Unlike you lollygagging Army guru's

The same lollygagging Army that trains many of your Marines. Where do your Force Recon guys learn to be paratroops? Airborne School at Fort (not Camp)Benning, GA, an Army base. Or Military Freefall School, US Army Proving Grounds, AZ. I know some go to Ranger School, at Fort Benning to learn small unit tactics/leadership from the best. The Marines best trained by the Army. Many of their Combat Medics are trained at Fort Bragg, NC. Your tankers at Fort Knox, KY. They even go to US Army Sniper School at Fort Benning. The list probably goes on..........What gives?


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbrady

The same lollygagging Army that trains many of your Marines. Where do your Force Recon guys learn to be paratroops? Airborne School at Fort (not Camp)Benning, GA, an Army base. Or Military Freefall School, US Army Proving Grounds, AZ. I know some go to Ranger School, at Fort Benning to learn small unit tactics/leadership from the best. The Marines best trained by the Army. Many of their Combat Medics are trained at Fort Bragg, NC. Your tankers at Fort Knox, KY. They even go to US Army Sniper School at Fort Benning. The list probably goes on..........What gives?
Off the top of my head, the Marines also send their NBC people to the Army Chemical School.


Posted by: GARDA

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Posted by: GARDA

didn't cut & paste...hmm


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Posted by: USMCTrooper

I clearly remember US Army Rangers out at the Range on P.I. learning to shoot. Our PMI even told us not to get too close to them....(you can imagine why LOL..)

http://www.funtrivia.com/trivia-quiz...via-80539.html

See if you can 10/10. I got 9/10. One question may throw us all...


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCTrooper
Our PMI even told us not to get too close to them....(you can imagine why LOL..)
LOL........I sure can.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCTrooper
I clearly remember US Army Rangers out at the Range on P.I. learning to shoot. Our PMI even told us not to get too close to them....(you can imagine why LOL..)
Sorry....gotta call bullshit on that one.


Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbrady

The same lollygagging Army that trains many of your Marines. Where do your Force Recon guys learn to be paratroops? Airborne School at Fort (not Camp)Benning, GA, an Army base. Or Military Freefall School, US Army Proving Grounds, AZ. I know some go to Ranger School, at Fort Benning to learn small unit tactics/leadership from the best. The Marines best trained by the Army. Many of their Combat Medics are trained at Fort Bragg, NC. Your tankers at Fort Knox, KY. They even go to US Army Sniper School at Fort Benning. The list probably goes on..........What gives?
BWaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaa, stop your killing me...... ok lets pick this apart....

Yes Us Marines do go to JOINT Army/Marine schools, hell I did my MP school at Ft. McMuffin in Anniston, AL, but 99% of my instuctors were Marines. Now for Sniper school, why would we go to an Army school, when the Marines have the Scout Sniper School at Quantico, VA? And we all know that Marines are the best shots in the world..... Now for Combat medics.....LMAO, come on now, I'm raising the BullShit Flag on this one, Marines don't have medics! We have Navy Corpsmen, and God Bless them.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Off the top of my head, the Marines also send their NBC people to the Army Chemical School.
Yes delta, the Army are real good Glow Worms......



Now, who's up for a few beers and swapping sea stories?


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
LMAO, come on now, I'm raising the BullShit Flag on this one, Marines don't have medics! We have Navy Corpsmen, and God Bless them.
That's just semantics. I think what Barbrady was referring to is the Special Forces (Green Beret) Medic School, since regular Army Medics are trained at Fort Sam Houston in Texas.

Special Forces Medics can perform emergency field surgery, rudimentary dental procedures, and many other things that any regular Medic/Corpsman can only dream about. The full course is one year in length, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they offered a shorter course to Medics/Corpsmen.

A guy I work with was a K-9 handler in the Marines. Almost all of his instructors at the military working dog school at Lackland were Army & Air Force. As far as I know, he wasn't excommunicated from the Marines. There are ZERO Marine instructors at the US Army Airborne School, or the US Army Air Assault School, even though almost every class has at least a few Marines in it. As Barbrady mentioned, where do you think the Marine Force Recon people go to learn how to jump out of airplanes?

There's no shame in accepting instruction from someone more experienced/knowledgeable than yourself, just because they wear a different uniform.


Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
There's no shame in accepting instruction from someone more experienced/knowledgeable than yourself, just because they wear a different uniform.
You are quite right Delta, I have no problems learning something from anyone who is knowlegable on a topic, no mater who or what uniform they wear. If they have something to offer, I will listen and learn.


Posted by: Deuce

Quote:
Originally Posted by MARINECOP
No the island in France.
I figured as much.. Bet you're not a cop either...


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
Yes Us Marines do go to JOINT Army/Marine schools,
Lol, US Army Airborne School, US Army Ranger School is not a JOINT Army/marine school. They have no marine instructors, I will get to the JOINT schools. Airborne School at one time had a Marine black hat but he didn't last.


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
Now for Sniper school, why would we go to an Army school, when the Marines have the Scout Sniper School at Quantico, VA?
That's an excellent question, why were they there?


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
Now for Combat medics.....LMAO, come on now, I'm raising the BullShit Flag on this one, Marines don't have medics! We have Navy Corpsmen, and God Bless them.
Well thats because your a part of the Navy. Navy Corpmen(Seal students) and marines(???) were at SOCM at Ft. Bragg, a JOINT school. Yes, there were a few SEAL instructors, no marine instructors. I wouldn't expect an MP to know this because you all don't leave garrison much.


Posted by: MARINECOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce
I figured as much.. Bet you're not a cop either...
Go screw yourself Deuce bagggg. Been a police officer probally longer than u. If u are 1?????? Wow way tooo many pussies hiding behind key bords on this site. I KNOW THOSE SPELLING ERRORS ARE DRIVING YOU NUTS. GET A LIFE.


Posted by: dcs2244

You guys need to relax...if one service could do it all, we'd have one service. I'm sure there is enough knowledge to be shared by everyone, originating from each service.

The Marines fought hard and well at Okinawa. But so did the Army's 27th Division. The Navy lent fire support AND fought off the "divine wind". The Army Air Corp delivered the coup-d'gras. No one service did it on it's own, or could have.

As a matter of fact, General MacArthur commanded the entire theatre, including Marines...and did a sequel at Inchon, with Chesty Puller working for him. It is not one...it's one for all.


Posted by: USMCTrooper

Quote:
Sorry....gotta call bullshit on that one.
Maybe it was a one time deal but it happened. They were the only ones wearing OD green. They had a range reserved for themselves. During grass week I remember watching them while learning to "snap - in". I remember getting the eyeball from them as all recruits did. Remember, this was in the 1980's so things may be different now.


Posted by: Deuce

Quote:
Originally Posted by MARINECOP
Go screw yourself Deuce bagggg. Been a police officer probally longer than u. If u are 1?????? Wow way tooo many pussies hiding behind key bords on this site. I KNOW THOSE SPELLING ERRORS ARE DRIVING YOU NUTS. GET A LIFE.
What ever you say assmunch. That's a mighty fine retort you posted there. Yup, real articulate.. And it's keyboArd you poser...


Posted by: 5-0

Quote:
That's a mighty fine retort you posted there. Yup, real articulate.. And it's keyboArd you poser...
MC is a squared away cop, and a tough Marine. You missed the subtle sarcasm within his last post, and pointed out spelling errors (obviously made on purpose) with 'Monk' like efficiency. Go flip a light switch 20 or 30 times, and don't forget 'Wapner is on.' soon. Rainman.
Hey B, should we host keyboard warrior night over at MSA?


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCTrooper
Maybe it was a one time deal but it happened. They were the only ones wearing OD green. They had a range reserved for themselves. During grass week I remember watching them while learning to "snap - in". I remember getting the eyeball from them as all recruits did. Remember, this was in the 1980's so things may be different now.
What you most likely saw was a National Guard or Reserve unit using the range. Think about it logically for a second....why would a Ranger Regiment, one of the most elite military units in the world, leave their first-class training facilities at Fort Benning to use a rifle range at Parris Island? It just doesn't make any sense.

As for the OD green, when I went to Basic in 1983, I got issued woodland camo as a shitbag E-1, the Rangers would have been among the first to get it as a RDF unit.


Posted by: Deuce

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5-0
MC is a squared away cop, and a tough Marine. You missed the subtle sarcasm within his last post, and pointed out spelling errors (obviously made on purpose) with 'Monk' like efficiency. Go flip a light switch 20 or 30 times, and don't forget 'Wapner is on.' soon. Rainman.
Hey B, should we host keyboard warrior night over at MSA?
Must have missed mine too. I could care less about spelling errors but since it was bothering MC I couldn't help it.. Ok MC you did it all on purpose, my bad.. Just don't sic your girlfriend on me anymore...






(In case you missed it that's just subtle sarcasm)


Posted by: Killjoy

Quote:
You guys need to relax...if one service could do it all, we'd have one service. I'm sure there is enough knowledge to be shared by everyone, originating from each service.
Well said......I really hate the "my service is better than your service arguements"....I don't see one service exclusively fighting the war on terror....read "American Soldier" by General Tommy Franks, former commander CENTCOM.


Posted by: Barbrady

I don't think anybody ever said, "My service is better than yours".


Posted by: USMCTrooper

New changes to basic principles of the military http://www.cmfdesigns.com/kenandcarol/jokes/changes.htm


Posted by: sylvester

Bulldogtb , you are not "lucky" - you earned it.


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCTrooper
New changes to basic principles of the military http://www.cmfdesigns.com/kenandcarol/jokes/changes.htm
Its something to be proud of.


Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

Good Stuff-not too far off the mark! Just retired w/21 yrs. USAF/ANG duty. Miss it already......


Posted by: Flavor Flav!

Again, another ridiculous rumor! You are already 20 yoa and still considering this option? I guess it's high time to get to the recruiter! There is no better way to serve your country but time is of the essence so don't wait too long.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
My question to all you Marine MSPs is iam a female college student enrolled In a CRJ program. I plan to graduate in 2007 with a BA. Now, I have always wanted to join the military especially the Marines. But, recently I have heard a "bad rap" about the MSP and not hiring Marines anymore. Now, I would love nothing more to one day serve citizens of the commenwealth in a State Police Uniform. But first wearing the Marines uniform and serving our country. Is there really a benifit anymore to being in the service? Or will a Bachelors suffice? I know you need to be book smart and Mentally tough, which I think both prove. And I also know verterans status is a biggy. Was just wondering about anyone's experience and 2cents.

Thank you all and God Bless!!



Posted by: GARDA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flavor Flav!
Again, another ridiculous rumor! You are already 20 yoa and still considering this option? I guess it's high time to get to the recruiter! There is no better way to serve your country but time is of the essence so don't wait too long.
Hey Flav,...I'm beginning to think that our DREAMER girl has dropped out of college, signed on the dotted-line,(USMC = "U Signed the Mother Contract", and she is well on her way to becoming one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children...??? Seeing that it has been two weeks, and 45 Posts since she started this thread...I'm not sure she really needs or wants our 2cents?

Semper Fi - Devil Dogs...OOH-RAH!


Posted by: Q5-TPR

78th RTT= Bunch of Marines! Me included! By the way, I'M BACK! Formerly Q5-PO now........ Q5-TROOPER! Semper Fi!


Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:
Originally Posted by Q5-TPR
78th RTT= Bunch of Marines! Me included! By the way, I'M BACK! Formerly Q5-PO now........ Q5-TROOPER! Semper Fi!

Welcom Back suicidal Trooper and congrats on the 78th. Semper-Fi


Posted by: Q5-TPR

Thank u Sir!
Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
Welcom Back suicidal Trooper and congrats on the 78th. Semper-Fi



Posted by: Q5-TPR

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Posted by: MaritimeLAW

Any thoughts on a Coastie Officer going to a MSP Harbor Unit


Posted by: Dane

Has he or she graduated from the SPA as a member of an RTT and done road time? If the answer is "yes," then I'm sure the Marine Unit CO would consider any prior training, experience, and certifications (i.e. captain's license). Also, the MSP has a "Marine Unit." In addition to various harbors, its jurisdiction includes all inland waters of the Commonwealth.




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