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Posted by: Unregistered

I have a question about. If a car were to be entering a highway, never exceeding the speed limit (e.g. doing 25 MPH on the on ramp), and once on the main highway road, quickly accelerating to the posted speed limit of 65 and not above. Also there are no other cars on the road, so no indication of racing another car, the road conditions are good, and no erratic driving. It is basically just getting to the speed limit in a few second (3 sec) versus many seconds.

Is there any law that governs how quickly you can accelerate?



Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
Is there any law that governs how quickly you can accelerate?
The Laws of Physics?



Posted by: Unregistered

definitely, cant exceed the laws of the universe (F=ma, v=a/t, etc), but how about MGL.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
definitely, cant exceed the laws of the universe (F=ma, v=a/t, etc), but how about MGL.
And how do you suppose we could measure this?



Posted by: NorwichAlum

Somehow it sounds like we are getting only 1/2 the story. What did you get a ticket for?



Posted by: Wolfman

Why is it necessary to accelerate in such a manner? Not only is it generally annoying to the motoring public, it wastes fuel and may also inhibit your ability to safely react should something unexpected happen (deer comes out of the puckerbrush, sudden observance of a car on the highway you missed before while enraptured by your tach approaching the redline). No one ever plans on getting into a crash, this shit just happens.

It has also been my experience as a member of the motoring public that those who elect to accelerate in such a manner rarely, if ever, discontinue such acceleration when they reach the posted speed limit. Yeah, I know what you said, but let's get out of fantasy land and back into reality. If you're hitting 25-60 in 3 seconds, you're not going to stop at 65. Before you say you will, remember - Santa Claus is watching.

Two statutes which may apply depending on the circumstances and the mood of the officer (and eventually the clerk and/or judge) would be harsh and objectionable noise; to wit that created by the engine of the vehicle while engaging in unnecessary acceleration, and the "catch-all" "Fail to use care when starting". Should the tires break loose, even that needed to produce a chirp into second, operating to endanger could be thrown in there as well, since one has deliberately caused their vehicle to accelerate at such a rate so as to break traction from the road surface - and we all know the bad things that happen when traction goes the way of the dodo.

There are a few dragstrips around to find out just how fast you can accelerate in a legal and safe environment. Whilst on the highway that you must share with me and mine, play it safe and don't drive like a dick.



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Amen to that Wolfman..



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
And how do you suppose we could measure this?
According to my tape measure, "(F=ma, v=a/t, etc)" is about 1 3/8 of an inch long.



Posted by: Unregistered

The ticket (not a warning) was for excessive noise, even though the exhaust is completely factory(60's muscle car). He also stated that he got me on radar and noted that it was a good thing that I stopped accelerating before 65, or he would have gotten me for racing as well as other things since he could see my speed rapidly increasing.



Posted by: bbelichick

Your car still has factory exhaust and it is a 1960's model?



Posted by: Unregistered

to clarify it, it has the OEM exhaust system specified by ford, not the origional pipes, and mufflers. However, everything is origional since there is only 32k miles. A rare hidden garage find.



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Unregistered - register, and post a pic of that bad boy...
Or put it up somewhere else (like putfile.com) and send us the link...



Posted by: bbelichick

Chapter 90: Section 17B Drag racing; penalties

Section 17B. No person shall operate a motor vehicle, nor shall any owner of such vehicle permit it to be operated, in a manner where the owner or operator accelerates at a high rate of speed in competition with another operator, whether or not there is an agreement to race, causing increased noise from skidding tires and amplified noise from racing engines. Whoever violates the provisions of this section shall be punished by a fine of not less than one hundred nor more than five hundred dollars and the registrar shall suspend such operator's license for a period of not less than thirty days. A subsequent violation shall be punished by a fine of not less than two hundred nor more than one thousand dollars and a suspension of such license for a period of not less than sixty days.



Posted by: Wolfman

Would that include factory headers?
Quote:
Chapter 90: Section 16 Offensive or illegal operation of motor vehicles

Section 16. No person shall operate a motor vehicle, nor shall any owner of such vehicle permit it to be operated, in or over any way, public or private, whether laid out under authority of law or otherwise, which motor vehicles are prohibited from using, provided notice of such prohibition is conspicuously posted at the entrance to such way. No person shall operate a motor vehicle, nor shall any owner of such vehicle permit it to be operated upon any way, except fire department and fire patrol apparatus, unless such motor vehicle is equipped with a muffler to prevent excessive or unnecessary noise, which muffler is in good working order and in constant operation, and complies with such minimum standards for construction and performance as the registrar may prescribe. No person shall use a muffler cut-out or by-pass. No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust. No person operating a motor vehicle shall sound a bell, horn or other device, nor in any manner operate such motor vehicle so as to make a harsh, objectionable or unreasonable noise, nor permit to escape from such vehicle smoke or pollutants in such amounts or at such levels as may violate motor vehicle air pollution control regulations adopted under the provisions of chapter one hundred and eleven.
Harsh, objectionable, unreasonable. There you go. You can pay in the clerk's office on your way out.



Posted by: tomfin

Yeah!

He's only got 4,136 original miles on it. His grandmother had the car garaged forever and only drove it to the hairdresser every couple of months! He just got the car when she passed in September. Too bad he doesn't appreciate it!




Posted by: Unregistered

no headers, was not a factory option, however dual exhaust, and 428Ci, 390 hp was... so even lightly hitting the accelerator it makes a rumble..



Posted by: Wolfman

SO I'm at a loss as to which Ford had a 390HP 428 - the basic 428 had 345HP with the 10.5:1 CR, with a 360 HP Police Interceptor option (aluminum intake, hotter cam) - the 428CJ with 2-bolt mains ran between 345 and 360HP, and if you had an externally balanced 429SCJ (which still wasn't rated at 390) with only 4100 miles on it you're an idiot for even taking it out in the winter.

I also find it hard to believe you're getting to the highway speed limit in 3 seconds...the 69-70 Boss 429 Mustangs had a 0-60 time of 7 seconds, and I doubt Grandma had one of those tucked in her garage.

EIther way, stop driving like a dick.



Posted by: RPD931

IF it was loud, it was loud. Gig!

improper operation of an M/V perhaps?



Posted by: dcs2244

"Off Ramp" speed limits are governed by a speed limit. "On Ramps" are essentially an acceleration lane allowing you to accelerate to the SPEED OF TRAFFIC, and merge. You will not stop at the foot of the ramp and wait for an opening...you will merge, and for that you must be traveling the same speed as traffic. If traffic is traveling at 45 MPH, then so shall you be. If traffic is traveling at 85 MPH, then so shall you be. This isn't law, it's physics. If you impede the flow of my traffic, ticket.

Is the factory exhaust on your MoPar stainless?



Posted by: Pvt. Cowboy

Awwww.... Jeez!! Didn't we just have this conversation in Ask-a-Cop? Loud exhausts and all? Though I'm a bit more partial to a Cobra Jet than to a turbocharged Boxer 4...





Posted by: AR15Ron

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
"Off Ramp" speed limits are governed by a speed limit. "On Ramps" are essentially an acceleration lane allowing you to accelerate to the SPEED OF TRAFFIC, and merge. You will not stop at the foot of the ramp and wait for an opening...you will merge, and for that you must be traveling the same speed as traffic. If traffic is traveling at 45 MPH, then so shall you be. If traffic is traveling at 85 MPH, then so shall you be. This isn't law, it's physics. If you impede the flow of my traffic, ticket.

Is the factory exhaust on your MoPar stainless?
that was my initial reaction, why are you enterign the highway at 25mph and accelerating? The poor jerk behind you doesnt have 390 HP to get up to speed quickly, and you just took away his acceleration ramp <G>.





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