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Posted by: rg1283

I had to take a relative to an unnamed RI Hospital (Blah thats the name of the Hospital). Walk into the ER (I usually go to UMass in Worc. so I see the UMass PD with their guns and all their stuff). There is a Security Guard there, no mace, no cuffs, only a radio and some uniform. Turns out these same "Security Guards" also double as Shuttle Bus Drivers. Here we have a Level 1 Trauma, Teaching Hospital in Providence and not even Security Guards with Mace, they also have no Police Power, no Cuffs, nadda! They seemed well trained (from the radio traffic I heard on the Security Portables).

In RI there is (correct me if I am wrong) the RI Municipal Police Academy, which trains all Municpal Departments in RI. There is no SSPO Academy in RI so the Community College Cops (most who are ex cops anyway), Brown University, RI Airport Police, RI Environmental, RI College (a RI Version of a Framingham State style school) Police go to the Muncipal Academy.

Only Brown University has an armed campus police department.

In RI even the MALL (Providence Place) guards carry OC Spray! Anyone can carry OC in RI who is over the age of 18, no permit required. Its sad when Mall Security is more armed with their AA Maglights, Cuffs and Mace in RI then your Hospital Security.

I did some research and determined (from web pages and job descriptions) that ALL of the Hospitals in RI are pretty much run like this. I don't think even one Hospital has a Police Department in RI (with maybe the exception of the RI DMH, which isn't called the DMH but you get my drift).

What a joke, the best hospitals in the state don't even have any form of Police! Also what boggles my mind is I can understand if Children's Hospital in Boston had unarmed SSPOs (guns can scare kids, etc.), but they don't even have SSPOs or anything like that. There kids

in that hospital. I have worked in hospitals and they may think that with their passkeys and slide cards to enter they have security, but thats a joke, unless you have a trained security guard watching the place (physically standing next to the doors), not some overwieght guy watching Cameras. I mean granted there guys have some training and may want to get in a LE carreer, these types of security departments are good for a small Hospital like Harrington, but for Hospitals in Providence, which are similar in size to (pick almost any Boston Hospital) it is just proposterous.

I'm going to step off the soap box now

http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statute...7/11-47-57.HTM

Mace Law in RI.

Posted by: 94c

It could have alot to do with the administration itself. We had to go head to head with our local new hospital administration because they did not want any guns in their hospital. This meant on duty police officers on official police business! (Their initial demands were that we would have to check them in with the "security office"). Believe it or not the issue still ocassionally pops up from an "offended" hospital doctor/nurse.

Posted by: SSPO#11

To be honest......Rhode Island sucks.......it's the reason why I drive 1.5 hours to work everyday. The state won't even arm the URI Police!! Starting pay at URI last time I checked was under 12.00 an hour for a full time cop.

There is this thing called the "Rhode Island Public Safety Officers Academy" here in RI. I have no information on it.......but it sounds retarded.

Rhode Island Hospital, Woman and Infants, and Hasbro are in a wonderful area of the city of Providence.

Providence PD must be a pleasure to deal with a the hospital.

#11

Posted by: rg1283

RI seems so ass backwards. Just look at their highway system, all of a sudden your on another road with little or no warning.

Note: Childrens Hospital in Boston has NO POLICE POWER and they also double as Shuttle Van Drivers. So does New England Baptist.

Posted by: soxrock75

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Originally Posted by rg1283

RI seems so ass backwards. Just look at their highway system, all of a sudden your on another road with little or no warning.

Note: Childrens Hospital in Boston has NO POLICE POWER and they also double as Shuttle Van Drivers. So does New England Baptist.

Children's mainly has unarmed security (Longwood). They do however have a few Boston Specials working for them. They're kinda hard to miss with the tell tale Red Stripe on the pants.

Posted by: rg1283

RI has one Jail in a Bridgewater type Correctional Complex in Cranston. Included is a Shattuck type Public Health/Mental Health Hospital.

Apparently the RI DOC wanted to treat prisoners there, etc. Anyhow a Providence Journal Article the nurse said:

"Nurses note that the hospital has no security force, not even people greeting visitors in the first-floor lobby."

So here we have a place that is Similar to the Shattuck or Tewksbury, with people who are forensically committed and we don't have any security at all, nada, not even a receptionist. Note to self: Never work in a Hospital in RI.
Not only are there no Hospital Police Depts. RI's version of the DMH has no DMH Police.

Actually there is a Naval Hospital in Newport I think, so the Navy Security Forces you could call Hospital police, but probably no more in a way you can call Providence City Police Hospital Police. Thats getting federal though, also can't forget the VA Police. The VA Hospital in Providence, like the one in W. Roxbury has a 24 hour ER for its patients.

Projo Article (requires a user name, but I have allready stated my point)

http://www.projo.com/news/content/pr....18493127.html

Posted by: rg1283

I am off the soap box now. That is interesting to note about Childrens, I take my comments back about that facility.

Posted by: Mitpo62

I'll get on my soap box again about this medical facility police issue. By far, the premiere police agency in the medical area is without a doubt Beth Israel. You have a top notch administration there that is insync with all police issues. Now, they may not be as busy as some colleges or local PDs, but the pay and benefits are excellent + super working conditions. Don't delay, apply today!

Posted by: rg1283

BIDMC is also Armed. Didn't they go from Longwood to what they are today? Not that Longwood is unprofessional, but I think a SSPO or R/I Trained PO is more acceptable then a Boston Police Special, which I think that program is about to get some major overhaulin

g, especially with those stories I have been hearing about Alliance. Plus whats with these Boston Police Special FID cards I hear about, some can only carry their firearm when working?

Posted by: DODK911

RI has one Police Academy for towns, college, and the airport Police, Providence has there own Academy, and the State Police have there own academy. The small Colleges and Hospitals that choose not to have Police Officers at there facilities there is a State run Professional Security Course offered to these Agencies, I dont know to much about it but I have heard of it from a friend of mine that went through it. Brown University is the only College in RI currently carrying firearms, but that will be changing within the next 6-month's or so (scary if you have seen some of these Officers), but as far as URI Police, they have a top notch Police Dept. and they make more then $12.00/hr. You can't compare RI pay to MA because MA will always pay more its a hire cost of living area. It's not the greatest state but atleast they dont have 15 academies for the same job and no CIVIL SERVICE

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by Mitpo62

I'll get on my soap box again about this medical facility police issue. By far, the premiere police agency in the medical area is without a doubt Beth Israel. You have a top notch administration there that is insync with all police issues. Now, they may not be as busy as some colleges or local PDs, but the pay and benefits are excellent + super working conditions. Don't delay, apply today!

Ah...........VA Police are a good contender for the above title of "Premier police agency in the medical area" not to bust chops but don't forget them!

Posted by: rg1283

This link is dated but it shows what went into them getting their fire arms.

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...04/03-059.html

I am surprised, but the law doesn't exist like it does in MA, that one wouldn't see a Brown Campus Police Officer Patrol the Hospital area or have an assigned detail because all of the Med Students there are from Brown. Is Brown going to be "reviewing" its decision it made to arm the CPOs? Time will tell

Posted by: Mitpo62

Good point mpd......my bad.

Posted by: JoninNH

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Originally Posted by 94c

It could have alot to do with the administration itself. We had to go head to head with our local new hospital administration because they did not want any guns in their hospital. This meant on duty police officers on official police business! (Their initial demands were that we would have to check them in with the "security office"). Believe it or not the issue still ocassionally pops up from an "offended" hospital doctor/nurse.

Did I misread this or are you telling me that the hospital is trying to tell on duty law enforcment to disarm upon entering the hospital?

Posted by: Wiggum_1

Oh I can belive that. At my real job at a local university, the administration asked that the city PD's K-9 not be allowed on campus because he scared the students.

Also a few weeks ago there was an article in the globe about one of the State Police crime lab (I think it was Sudbury ) and how they shared an office park with a daycare center. One of the mothers was interveiwed and said how " concerned" she was about "troopers with guns" being nearby.

Posted by: rg1283

When the debate goes into arming a campus police department, the ignorant act like the firearm is going to fall out of the holster or something. With Modern Retention Holsters and training, its alot harder for one take a fire arm from an officer. Plus these jerks don't even take into affect that these Police Officers were trained by a Municipal or State Academy, not Joe Bob's Police Academy INC. These same people are the first ones crying when someone gets shot about how the Campus PD didn't have fire arms.

Posted by: JoninNH

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Originally Posted by Wiggum_1

Oh I can belive that. At my real job at a local university, the administration asked that the city PD's K-9 not be allowed on campus because he scared the students.

Also a few weeks ago there was an article in the globe about one of the State Police crime lab (I think it was Sudbury ) and how they shared an office park with a daycare center. One of the mothers was interveiwed and said how " concerned" she was about "troopers with guns" being nearby.

That's disgusting. I went to a chinese place a while back where they refused to serve anyone carrying- including police officers. "Sign at door say no guns. You leave now."

There was a fire there later on that year and they still haven't reopened... good riddence!

Hey, here's a question for anyone out there who may know... can the hospital actually require an office to disarm himself? Common sence tells me "Of course not" but then again this is Assachusetts and the feel-good liberals are in power.

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoninNH

Did I misread this or are you telling me that the hospital is trying to tell on duty law enforcment to disarm upon entering the hospital?

This is exactly what they were demanding about a year ago. It took a big get together by the powers that be to finally straighten things out. Every once in a while we still get the "you cant go there with that" (refering to the gun) by some hospital staff.

"so stop me" is usually the response and then they put their tail between their legs and walkaway. It's so sad it's actually funny.

Posted by: rg1283

I know in MA DMH Hospitals Police Officers must disarm unless there is an obvious emergency (as an example). This makes sense considering the type of Patients in these Hospitals. Here is my question about all this.

If a Police Officer who has lawful jurisdiction in the area of the said school or hospital, and is in uniform and or identifies themself then what legal reason besides ignorance do they have in all this making them disarm? Plus its kind of silly to ask an officer to do this especially if they are in their jurisdiction, etc.

Posted by: JoninNH

Quote:

Originally Posted by rg1283

I know in MA DMH Hospitals Police Officers must disarm unless there is an obvious emergency (as an example). This makes sense considering the type of Patients in these Hospitals. Here is my question about all this.

If a Police Officer who has lawful jurisdiction in the area of the said school or hospital, and is in uniform and or identifies themself then what legal reason besides ignorance do they have in all this making them disarm? Plus its kind of silly to ask an officer to do this especially if they are in their jurisdiction, etc.

Disarming in a psychiactric unit I understand, disarming at the direction of hospital staff for no reason at all, no, that I do not understand.

Posted by: michaelbos

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Originally Posted by JoninNH

Disarming in a psychiactric unit I understand, disarming at the direction of hospital staff for no reason at all, no, that I do not understand.

The VA Hospitals are patrolled by Federal Police (VA POlice) it's Federal property and they don't ask outside agencies to disarm. If someone needed to be taken off a phyic ward on a warrant or issued a Mass 209A, VA officers would got up and they have a policy of de-clipping their weapons when on those wards. If they have an outside officer coming to visit and it has phyic patients in the building, they would just inform the officer to be careful and beware.

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by rg1283

I know in MA DMH Hospitals Police Officers must disarm unless there is an obvious emergency (as an example). .

excuse me, excuse me.........................

DMH Police officers do NOT carry silly!

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by rg1283

This link is dated but it shows what went into them getting their fire arms.

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/...04/03-059.html

I am surprised, but the law doesn't exist like it does in MA, that one wouldn't see a Brown Campus Police Officer Patrol the Hospital area or have an assigned detail because all of the Med Students there are from Brown. Is Brown going to be "reviewing" its decision it made to arm the CPOs? Time will tell

Brown University?

Oh yeah that's were the security officers look like COPS, and the Police Officers look like FIREFIGHTERS! (Red stripes and Red patches + red polo shirts on bikes!)

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